Squier Making The Cyclone Again .

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:43 pm

i don't think going to 500k pots is going to make it SUPER BRIGHT.

i think 1MEG pots would be SUPER BRIGHT

brainfur · Post by **brainfur** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:51 pm

link to a review w. some decent photos
http://www.squier-talk.com/forum/squier ... eview.html Web Page Name

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:17 pm

brainfur wrote:link to a review w. some decent photos
http://www.squier-talk.com/forum/squier ... eview.html

Errrrrrrrr. Reading that forum was making my brain hurt.

I just remembered why I absolutely hate 97% of all guitar forums, and 98% of all guitar players.

A crack in the neck pocket is fucking shipping damage you goddamn fucking twit and has nothing to do with QC at the factory.

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:55 pm

not necessarily. that's not right to assume you know how it was damaged.

it could've happened during shipping, and they could've shipped it out that way. this is not a CV, or VM instrument, and is not necessarily subject to the same QC as those lines. i assume these are affinity series?

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:57 pm

portugalwillie wrote:if the volume pot thing really bothers you, first replace them w/ 500k pots. It will make both pups SUPER bright, though. also, look into the grease bucket wiring. that is designed so you can roll of the volume and not lose any highs. also, throw an orange cap in their and you'll be happy w/ the results.

An orange cap's not going to make your tone change that much. The value of caps matter, not the construction.

But 500k is a good idea. I wouldn't consider 500k super bright, really. I use it on all my guitars, single coil or humbucker. I think it sounds better that way.

You can also make a bass cut knob. It's not hard to do (just need an extra pot and a cap, I use 0.0033 uF) and it can give you clarity without losing much volume. You could stack it with the treble cut tone knob that's on most guitars and then have a much more versatile EQ system right on the guitar.

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:59 pm

hotrodperlmutter wrote:it could've happened during shipping, and they could've shipped it out that way. this is not a CV, or VM instrument, and is not necessarily subject to the same QC as those lines. i assume these are affinity series?

It comes from the same plant as a lot of the Affinity guitars, but who's ever heard of an Affinity with a genuine Fender bridge and Fender stamped saddles?

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:17 pm

not sure about the trem unit (how do you know it's a legit fender part if the block is the "skinny squier type?"), but i thought the saddles being vintage style stamped bits with 'fender' is becoming more and more frequent, although i'm not sure about the affinity stuff.

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:36 pm

I'm pretty sure it's a legit Fender part. I don't really think Squier's sitting there counterfeiting Fender parts, and if you ever look on Ebay, these skinny Fender bridges are a pretty commodity part and they're probably trying to get rid of them. That said, they were good enough for MIM and MIJ a few years ago, and nothing's changed that.

And no, I don't really think Affinity Strats have ever come with actual Fender bridges.

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:44 pm

WAIT

when did someone make a squier forum? why didn't I do this 10 fucking years ago?

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:45 pm

i'm not insinuating that they're counterfeiting them, i'm saying it sounds like a squier trem, and i've not seen pics of them. fender saddles fit those.

bubbastain · Post by **bubbastain** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:46 pm

hotrodperlmutter wrote:not sure about the trem unit (how do you know it's a legit fender part if the block is the "skinny squier type?"), but i thought the saddles being vintage style stamped bits with 'fender' is becoming more and more frequent, although i'm not sure about the affinity stuff.

I guess I assumed it was a legit Fender trem since it had Fender written on the saddles. My friends old made in china Squier strat did not have any name on the trem. The trem block on my Fender Cyclone is the big zinc unit. On my Super Sonic it's a big steel block. Like I said, Don't really know if it makes much difference.

Does anyone know for sure what value pots came in the original (1998) Fender Cyclone?

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:55 pm

hotrodperlmutter wrote:not necessarily. that's not right to assume you know how it was damaged.

it could've happened during shipping, and they could've shipped it out that way. this is not a CV, or VM instrument, and is not necessarily subject to the same QC as those lines. i assume these are affinity series?

The likelihood of that occurring during shipping is vastly higher than the likelihood of it happening at the factory. Those cracks generally happen when there is stress applied to the neck after it's already mounted to the body. This is waaaaayyyyyy more likely to happen during shipping than assembly.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:07 pm

robroe wrote:WAIT

when did someone make a squier forum? why didn't I do this 10 fucking years ago?

Its been there a while, i think its the same people that started the Strat-Talk forum. Im sure there is another as well.

speedfish · Post by **speedfish** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:59 pm

ooops fail at posting pics!

Rox · Post by **Rox** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:54 pm

Pens wrote:
brainfur wrote:link to a review w. some decent photos
http://www.squier-talk.com/forum/squier ... eview.html

Errrrrrrrr. Reading that forum was making my brain hurt.

I just remembered why I absolutely hate 97% of all guitar forums, and 98% of all guitar players.

A crack in the neck pocket is fucking shipping damage you goddamn fucking twit and has nothing to do with QC at the factory.

Just about everything said I kinda foretold. Decent neck , decent hardware shitty and bland pickups and electrics . But that said what the fuck you expect from a $180 guitar ? Another $150 in some parts and a proper setup you'd have a killer guitar and still cheaper than a Fender version and possibly better .
I thought the comments were a tad too critical but that's just my opinion.
As for the neck perhaps . They could of also put the screws on too tight and cracked it . I've seen it happen . But shipping could of certainly been the culprit. Whatever the case I know I would of wanted a new guitar.. Bottom line for the money I think it's a cool guitar and a nice little candidate for a project . My little worry ( not a big deal ) is Indonesian quality. My VM Tele ( that's Indonesian ) had crooked screws and the though played great the bridge was slightly screwed on cockeyed . Pots , pickups and jack are a pretty straightforward fix but a crooked bridge ?

SKC Willie · Post by **SKC Willie** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:08 am

but wasn't someone saying that the pickups are ALREADY very bright w/ 250. If you take a guitar that already has bright pups w/ 250 and add 500k pots, it's only going to make it brighter.

the orange caps aren't really going to help w/ the problems he's having but I think they sound better. I was skeptic at first but after using a couple, I really do think they're better. It could be all in my head, but I think there is a noticeable difference.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:46 am

If its the 'clean up' on the volume that is the problem it might be a case of cheap ceramic magnet pickups. I've had some that go from full-on dirt to an almost gated broken radio sound.
Used Orange Drops in stuff for years but nothing like that will improve dogshit pickups.

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:46 am

Yeah, the pups are definitely very bright at stock. I've never heard the Atomic bucker to know if that's it, I just know that they are really, really bright.

bubbastain · Post by **bubbastain** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:11 am

Well I'm comparing a Fender Cyclone with my new Squier Cyclone side by side. Just got done playing some more and I have to say that the Squier humbucker sounds pretty damn killer. I just put a 500k volume pot in and it definitely made the single coil brighter. The HB sounds damn sweet though. Pretty similar to the Atomic. A little brighter and grindier in a good way. That could also be because of the brand new strings on the Squier and that they are 9s compared to the 10-52 that are on the Fender and they have about 3-4 hours on them. I think the 500k pot helped a little. I didn't have another 500k for the tone so that is still the 250k. I'm not sure if it matters mixing the two though. The single coil in the neck of the Squier is okay, but I like the TexMex more. So even though everything works good and sounds good, I am going to replace the tone and volume pot with new 500k ones(not sure what brand but good ones) and also replace all the wiring while I'm at it. I'll try to find a TexMex cheap(really cheap

) for the neck and leave the stock humbucker. I have a spare SD JB that I could use that sounds killer but the stock Squier humbucker sounds just as good.

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:18 am

LOL at how the pickguard hole for the humbucker looks cleaner on the squier than the fender.