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singlepup · Post by **singlepup** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:21 am

Pens wrote:Is all cool. Lots of now common Fender colors are yellowed/faded versions of the original colors. The originals were only Dakota Red, Daphne Blue (I think), and Oly White. From those fading and yellowing we ended up with Sonic Blue, Fiesta Red, Old Oly white, and so on.

I didn't even catch that at first. The Sonic Blue and Fiesta Red color schemes on RI's are based on faded colors? Never knew that, but surprised I didn't put it together before. That kinda makes me think that RI color schemes are one step away from this whole "relic-ing" fad.

Not sure how I feel about that *twitch*

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:22 am

I thought Fiesta Red is more vibrant than Dakota Red. If anything Dakota seems like a dulled Fiesta to me.

singlepup · Post by **singlepup** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:23 am

Good point. Hrmmm...

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:17 am

honeyiscool wrote:I thought Fiesta Red is more vibrant than Dakota Red. If anything Dakota seems like a dulled Fiesta to me.

Fiesta is more orange than Dakota. The orange comes from the clear coat yellowing and mixing with the red. Compare the two colors side by side.

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:21 am

Huh you're right. I still prefer Fiesta, though. Dakota is a very boring color for me. It's one of the reasons I sold my '65 RI in Dakota Red. It's probably the best playing guitar I've ever played, and I sold it because Daphne Blue looked better.

SKC Willie · Post by **SKC Willie** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:06 am

hotrodperlmutter wrote:i love the bass, but afraid i'm a minority in thinking those guitars are not attractive.

i love the musicmasters, but that color looks like piss. same with the jag. i wish i could say i was colorblind.

great collection though.

what?! yo' crazy.

the jag looks just like Nic's bass which was awesome.

singlepup · Post by **singlepup** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:01 am

honeyiscool wrote:Huh you're right. I still prefer Fiesta, though. Dakota is a very boring color for me. It's one of the reasons I sold my '65 RI in Dakota Red. It's probably the best playing guitar I've ever played, and I sold it because Daphne Blue looked better.

Whaaa? I mean I love Daphne Blue as well, especially as a UCLA alum.

But... sold the best playing guitar you've ever played? In hindsight, do you regret it?

singlepup · Post by **singlepup** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:12 am

portugalwillie wrote:
hotrodperlmutter wrote:i love the bass, but afraid i'm a minority in thinking those guitars are not attractive.

i love the musicmasters, but that color looks like piss. same with the jag. i wish i could say i was colorblind.

great collection though.

what?! yo' crazy.

the jag looks just like Nic's bass which was awesome.

Actually entertaining a trade offer, the Jag for a Ric. The Frankenbacker thread over in the "other guitars" forum got me lusting.

It's local through CL, so we'll see what comes of it. Trader seems very into it, though.

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:15 am

singlepickup24 wrote:But... sold the best playing guitar you've ever played? In hindsight, do you regret it?

No, because it's not like it was 50 times better than any other guitar I've played. It was marginally better at best. All the '65 RIs I've played are at that excellent level of excellent.

singlepup · Post by **singlepup** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:35 am

Ah, that sounds much more reasonable. I often get stuck on that phrase "best playing." I forget there are degrees of best.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:46 am

Pens wrote:Is all cool. Lots of now common Fender colors are yellowed/faded versions of the original colors. The originals were only Dakota Red, Daphne Blue (I think), and Oly White. From those fading and yellowing we ended up with Sonic Blue, Fiesta Red, Old Oly white, and so on.

Eh? Fiesta red and sonic blue are individual colours in their own right and always were. They're nothing to do with fading or yellowing daphne/dakota.

singlepup · Post by **singlepup** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:54 am

Hrmm... now I'm really curious about this.

cixelsyd · Post by **cixelsyd** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:54 pm

stewart wrote:
Pens wrote:Is all cool. Lots of now common Fender colors are yellowed/faded versions of the original colors. The originals were only Dakota Red, Daphne Blue (I think), and Oly White. From those fading and yellowing we ended up with Sonic Blue, Fiesta Red, Old Oly white, and so on.
Eh? Fiesta red and sonic blue are individual colours in their own right and always were. They're nothing to do with fading or yellowing daphne/dakota.

granted I will say that my mid 90's mustang in Sonic Blue, as it was really yellowed when I picked it up almost looked daphne blue.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:39 pm

Well, my candy apple red jaguar got covered in poop when an angry monkey took exception to it at the safari park, but it's still candy apple red. It just looks brown. Same thing.

honeyiscool · Post by **honeyiscool** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:51 pm

stewart wrote:Well, my candy apple red jaguar got covered in poop when an angry monkey took exception to it at the safari park, but it's still candy apple red. It just looks brown. Same thing.

Caramel Apple Red. Mirite.

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:05 pm

stewart wrote:
Pens wrote:Is all cool. Lots of now common Fender colors are yellowed/faded versions of the original colors. The originals were only Dakota Red, Daphne Blue (I think), and Oly White. From those fading and yellowing we ended up with Sonic Blue, Fiesta Red, Old Oly white, and so on.
Eh? Fiesta red and sonic blue are individual colours in their own right and always were. They're nothing to do with fading or yellowing daphne/dakota.

precisely what i was going to say.

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:01 pm

hotrodperlmutter wrote:
stewart wrote:
Pens wrote:Is all cool. Lots of now common Fender colors are yellowed/faded versions of the original colors. The originals were only Dakota Red, Daphne Blue (I think), and Oly White. From those fading and yellowing we ended up with Sonic Blue, Fiesta Red, Old Oly white, and so on.
Eh? Fiesta red and sonic blue are individual colours in their own right and always were. They're nothing to do with fading or yellowing daphne/dakota.
precisely what i was going to say.

Well dammit. I'd read that long ago and it sounded plausible since that's what the colors ended up looking like, but I just looked it up and it looks like Dupont was offering Fiesta Red back in '56.

Original colors up to 69 was Dakota, OlyWhite, Daphne. That made the information that the other colors were faded/yellowed versions since they weren't originally available colors, and appeared to be faded/yellowed versions of the above three.

I stand corrected.

hotrodperlmutter · Post by **hotrodperlmutter** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:38 pm

'62 Stratocaster in Fiesta Red -

'61/'62 Stratocaster in Dakota Red -

'63 & '62 in Dakota (L) & CAR (R) -

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:30 pm

Pens wrote:Original colors up to 69 was Dakota, OlyWhite, Daphne. That made the information that the other colors were faded/yellowed versions since they weren't originally available colors, and appeared to be faded/yellowed versions of the above three.

yeah, MMs duos and mustangs came in those colours from '64-'69, but they were always separate. dakota red doesn't tend to change all that much when it yellows, whereas oly white will turn cream and daphne blue will usually go green.

singlepup · Post by **singlepup** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:00 pm

Stewart, thanks for the info. Do you happen to know what colors were offered 1970-79 for Fender's student line? I believe they introduced black and red wine in the 70s...