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Mike wrote:You're open-minded I see.
Hyperbole. But then again, I'd call any sunburst Strat a piece of crap until I played it. I hate those things, but once I play a nice one I usually can't hate that particular guitar anymore.
Thomas wrote:I've had quite a few MIM from the standard range that I've picked up as parts of trades or for doing work on peoples guitars. All of them apart from the first Tele I had were bad. The necks feel kind of unfinished to me. I guess that might be one of the reasons you can get them secondhand for buttons. Calling them bad might be a bit unfair, however they feel cheap. If you're in the market for an OK secondhand instrument about the £200 they're just fine.
Well, well, that's mostly to do with the specs sheet, like I was suggesting. MIMs often tend to have specs that aren't exactly to my liking. They do have cheap MIMs that are glossy finished, though, like the Blacktops. I don't know why but on this forum, satin finish or maple board is often cited to look or feel cheap, but I don't think that's much of a prevailing opinion out there in the world. I actually prefer a satin finished maple board to a glossy backed rosewood board, but I do suppose that the other option, the satin backed rosewood board, doesn't feel as nice to me personally.

That said, they sell the most number of MIM Standards out of any models, so I suppose those are the specs they picked through market research, but that's kind of what sucks about them, they're largely boring things because they reflect the average of everybody's opinions. I mean, you ask the average person on here who their favorite guitarist is, you'd probably get lots of cool answers that say a lot about that person. If you asked everyone to rank their favorite guitarists and average them, we would probably end up with Jimi Hendrix like every other greatest guitarist list. That's the nature of having something that is the average of all opinions. Predictable, boring, and not very inspiring.
Thomas wrote:I've had the Classic player Jaguar, that was a fine guitar. Not good enough to keep compared to my Japanese or vintage (unfair comparison I know) ones tho. I think I kept it for a week. A lot of people praise MIM guitars but I wonder how many of them have still kept them.
I think that's how I feel about MIM Jaguars. They're good but they're just not quite right. Now how much of that is due to the wrong specs, I don't know. Having played the Classic 60s Strat, as I said, I think it's largely the specs and the approach to the majority of MIM guitars that makes them decent but hardly keepers (IMO, once again).

Most of us who dismiss MIM offsets are so married to that whole 7.25" radius thing that everything else feels wrong. People whose first Jag is a CP or Blacktop Jag usually end up loving theirs.
Thomas wrote:I've tried some of the pricier Tele models, they were a lot better but the radius wasn't for me. Besides if I'm getting to the £700 quid mark the US American Tele special pisses all over any of the MIM stuff I've tried and the US standard. Strangely it has the same radius and Jumbo frets which I usually hate but the neck feels 100 times better. That could be down to the shape of the back of the neck or the rolles edges on the board. The fretwork was totally superior too. It feels like a complete guitar and when I pick it up it makes me want to play it.
Well, I don't know how the market is in the UK, but it seems like to get a truly good MIM that is absolutely a keeper, you're spending $700 instead of $500, and at that point, you almost just feel like spending a bit more on an MIA or an MIJ, or getting one used. That's the problem I had and the reason why I could never bring myself to own a Classic 60s Strat, even though I adore them. At $700 I could just get a guitar that I'd probably like better anyway, and I have, several times.
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looooooooooooove mapple haaaaaaaaaaaaate satin
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gaybear wrote:looooooooooooove mapple haaaaaaaaaaaaate satin
I like gloss finish on the back of maple necks. Honestly, I don't really care that much about the back finish.

I just cannot stand super glossy, that's all. A light glossy maple board is fine.

(and that's why I sorta hate the CV series though I respect their quality...)
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i like the fretboard gloss on rics, but maybe not if it was on others. i dunno.
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gaybear wrote:looooooooooooove mapple haaaaaaaaaaaaate satin
Right answer !!
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i think the changes seem really well thought out. pity about the cost.

if you look at the video he has a B&B candy apple red one in the rack behind him, it's possibly the one they've taken the colour from. looks very similar to mine.

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Is it the lighting or do you play five stringed?
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hmm. maybe i'd broken a string whenever i took the photo. didn't notice that!
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hotrodperlmutter wrote:yeah, but the squier CV tele pisses all over the Am. Std.

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Who's are those teles? Judging by the reflection they have a biggg guitar collection.
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honeyiscool wrote:Is it the lighting or do you play five stringed?
It's there, you can see the shadow

Lovely colour, if it is like that then I think I might prefer it but the white is lovely also.
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i only see 5 shadows as well
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gaybear wrote:i only see 5 shadows as well
I was looking at the pole piece on the bottom pick up but I think you're right
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robroe wrote:I dont need a capo. I have the other chords in my tonefingers
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awesome jag, this is the dude from the smiths?!
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I'd prefer a CV Tele to an Am Std but pictured is a CV Tele next to an avri '62, which absolutely pisses all over the Squier. For a start, it's actually '60s styled... the squier has a modern neck on it, and once you change the neck any resemblance to a 60s Fender is purely cosmetic. AV pickups are a million times better too, I have those ones in one of my project teles and the av bridge pickup is the best I've ever heard. CV pickups are average imports beefed up with 500k pots. And while eric was joking saying "they tried to save money on pickguard screws" that's actually true: they used the 50s screw pattern they were already set up for. The bodies on the CV Squier are MIM standard routed with the neck pickup jimmy-rigged in a deep humbucker route to look vintage correct instead of sensibly mounted to the pickguard where it could actually be lowered without possibly going through the back of the guitar (I know how precarious this is because I did the exact same thing to an MIM body and it just barely works), and the electronics are the same as in standard squiers/mim standards.
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Really pleased this sig turned out so good. Like others said, a lot of intelligent thought has gone into this, unlike a lot of sigs were they just do a pup upgrade, change the fret gauge and use a specific colour.
Made me smile though, some of the mods are like extended from stuff we've been doing for years. I wonder if he tried PTFE tape on the bridge screws? :lol:

Watching Marr play it in that video, running through old Smiths tunes made me realise why he likes the Jag so much and how well its suits that style of music. It did'nt make sense to me when he was using one in The Cribs.

I think the price is about right, the spec appears higher than an AVRI. Because of the spec i dont really see why folk are hung up about the origin, i know each origin has its own characteristics (satin necks, gloss necks, blah blah), but a sig thought out so well as this is not the same thing. If its an it must be American model for that price issue do we need to go there? American Fenders are not always the best, include vintage in that statement too.
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crumpler wrote:awesome jag, this is the dude from the smiths?!
No, this is THE dude from the smiths. :D
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Fran wrote: I think the price is about right, the spec appears higher than an AVRI. Because of the spec i dont really see why folk are hung up about the origin, i know each origin has its own characteristics (satin necks, gloss necks, blah blah), but a sig thought out so well as this is not the same thing. If its an it must be American model for that price issue do we need to go there? American Fenders are not always the best, include vintage in that statement too.
The biggest deal about country of origin for me is when you're trying to sell it. Warranted or not, MIM still has a bit of a stigma attached and commands a much lower sell on price. The only MIM guitar I still have (old standard Tele thats back home) cost me £100. That's less than a Squire. The good thing about that guitar being so cheap is that I plan on doing some modding to it, reshaping the neck etc. Cos it cost buttons I'm not too fussed about messing it up.

I think that it's clear that regardless of origin this guitar looks to be an impressive bit of kit and will no doubt be great quality. I'm looking forward to trying it out.
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paul_ wrote:I'd prefer a CV Tele to an Am Std but pictured is a CV Tele next to an avri '62, which absolutely pisses all over the Squier. For a start, it's actually '60s styled... the squier has a modern neck on it, and once you change the neck any resemblance to a 60s Fender is purely cosmetic. AV pickups are a million times better too, I have those ones in one of my project teles and the av bridge pickup is the best I've ever heard. CV pickups are average imports beefed up with 500k pots. And while eric was joking saying "they tried to save money on pickguard screws" that's actually true: they used the 50s screw pattern they were already set up for. The bodies on the CV Squier are MIM standard routed with the neck pickup jimmy-rigged in a deep humbucker route to look vintage correct instead of sensibly mounted to the pickguard where it could actually be lowered without possibly going through the back of the guitar (I know how precarious this is because I did the exact same thing to an MIM body and it just barely works), and the electronics are the same as in standard squiers/mim standards.
ok, you got me there. it is a '62RI, but i did play the CV in comparison to both an american standard, and the AVRI pictured. the pic was merely for posterity sake. the AVRI was nice, but did not like the vintage neck profile (too beefy). the Am. Std. had a modern neck profile, and it was nice enough, but the pickups were crap in comparison to the squier, and the neck had no glossiness.

so stoked with the squier though. could not justify the price difference. $175 or $1000? hrm...
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DanHeron wrote:
hotrodperlmutter wrote:yeah, but the squier CV tele pisses all over the Am. Std.
Who's are those teles? Judging by the reflection they have a biggg guitar collection.

That picture was taken at Chicago Music Exchange.
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