Refin'ing a Refinned '65 Jaguar

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Refin'ing a Refinned '65 Jaguar

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I picked this up in January, a local shop had it fs for $1795 in late December...I waited it out for about a month and their price dropped drastically so I jumped on it. It played and sounded fantastic, but it had been resprayed in a thick coat of some sort of car paint, it's close to candy apple red, but it's a metallic color, not candy. The neck has also been resprayed on the back...which is my biggest issue with the guitar...If they'd left the neck alone, I wouldn't be refinishing it at all.

I cleaned it up and put on the extra decal I had left from my Jaguar build...the placement is a bit weird but it's only temporary. I also flipped the rhythm switch back to where it should be, and since the pickup switches were all out of whack, I rewired them to be somewhat correct...except with the series mod. I also restrung it with 12s, set up the tailpiece to lock properly, and did some tweaking to get the action about where I like it. I went ahead and took the mute off and put it in the case, at some point it may go back on, but for now I didn't want to screw with getting it working properly.

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I did some scratching while I had it apart and found out that the red that's showing is a thick layer of metallic red, not a candy color, and it's on top of another thick layer of solid, almost dakota-ish red, and it's on top of a very thick layer of gray fill primer, which is on top of the original candy apple red. All of that build up explains why the surface is so wavy when you look across it. I don't know how much of the original finish is intact or how much sanding or filling was done for the refin, so I'm planning for the worst case scenario of stripping it completely and doing a full refin.

I went ahead and ordered some paint from reranch, candy apple red, inca silver, and white primer. I'm going to do the color coats with reranch, and use my uncles spray rig to shoot some deft nitro clear on it. I still have some reranch neck amber, but I may end up using Behlen Starcast Amber or something else to do the neck. The plan at the moment is to do some very minor ageing and checking on the guitar, and let the rest happen naturally, I say this because I get the impression that this guitar was fairly hammered on before it was refinished, and I kinda want it to have that vibe. I also ordered reissue Kluson Double Line tuners (it has generic Allparts tuners on it, the same as my home built Jag) and a new decal for it.
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What is the date stamp on the neck? The dots look very shiny, It probably got really cleaned up when it got refinned. There seems to be quite a few differences in Jaguar necks in 64/65. My 65 still has clay dots.
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It's a July 65 neck if I remember right, the dots are MOP.
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It's a shame the finish is so thick (and that they painted the back of the neck). I actually really like the colour.

Something tells me this will be a thread to keep an eye on...

If you strip it back gradually please post some pics. I'm geeky like that.
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Re: Refin'ing a Refinned '65 Jaguar

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the_other_Adam wrote:it's close to candy apple red, but it's a metallic color, not candy.
real candy apple red is metallic, fyi.
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Post by Thomas »

This one would have been silver or gold with a trans red (like yours) surely and not metallic paint...? I thought all old CAR was like that? Y'know? technically that isn't metallic paint... Or is it?

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dunno, maybe the new stuff's different.
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Yeah I think he just meant it isn't the original 2 stage CAR.
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I bet you can get the paint off. It sounds like you have the right idea. It was probably bullet proof, which may dull the sound.
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I am also interested in what methods you will use to remove the paint.

Can you blast the finish off the guitar? Sand or Sodium Blasting perhaps. Sand might be too hard and damage the wood.

I watch a show called American Restoration where they stripped the paint off a Fiberglass statue using Sodium blasting and the paint came off without damaging the surface. I am curious if it would work on a guitar finish without damaging the body.

They use different types of blasting to remove finishes off items they restore.
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Yeah the original would have been transparent red over metallic silver, this is just a metallic red paint. I plan on stripping it with a sanding block for the majority of the paint, and possibly using a chemical stripper just inside the cavities.
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i wouldn't touch it.
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If those pics are accurate I wouldn't either, but I know orange peeling and other topographical fuckups don't always come through in photos.
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I have had great luck with heat gun, lacquer thinner, and sanding--depending on the type of paint. Some enamels are just hard work with no short cuts.

Recently I scraped mystery spray paint from a Coronado wildwood, and it chipped off easily. I used a binding scraper, which is pliable steel with a rounded end. In less than an hour I had all the paint off with no sanding. It reminds me of scraping ice off of a windshield.
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Yeah, there's no question, this paint is coming off. It's so damn thick, wavy and nasty feeling...the neck especially...and yes that's what she said.
DGNR8 wrote:I have had great luck with heat gun, lacquer thinner, and sanding--depending on the type of paint. Some enamels are just hard work with no short cuts.

Recently I scraped mystery spray paint from a Coronado wildwood, and it chipped off easily. I used a binding scraper, which is pliable steel with a rounded end. In less than an hour I had all the paint off with no sanding. It reminds me of scraping ice off of a windshield.

Hmm, interesting, I wonder if a similar thing could be accomplished with a razor blade held perpendicular to the body.

I'm not sure about using a heat gun on this, it doesn't feel plasticy like a normal guitar poly does, it feels more like automotive base/clear, or possibly an enamel. I'm thinking I'll attack it pretty hard to get through the top two color coats (metallic red and solid almost dakota looking red) with like some 80 grit, then back off when I get to the grey primer and go to something lighter, there may still be some of the original finish under there, so if I can, I'll strip it back to that...if not, then I'll go ahead and spray.

I will definitely need some sort of chemical stripper to clean out the cavities though, I'm not really sure what would be the way to go on that though.
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Post by Thomas »

The paint in the cavities might come off in chunks/layers. try giving it a little knock to see how brittle the paint is. I've had refinned guitars before where the paint has been heavy enough in the cavities that I've been able to peel it off almost in layers or big flakes. From there a lot of the paint came off without much effort until I got to the edges of the body where the paint was thinner. It mosty came off in hard flakes leaving just the sealer coat.

What I'm saying is that because the finish is so thick on this it could work in your favour.
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Post by pumpkin »

Why would you paint the neck...
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pumpkin wrote:Why would you paint the neck...
I didn't. A previous owner had it in to have some new work done, and the tech decided to repaint the thing without permission while it was in the shop. There was a lawsuit, and the previous owner died. His son sold it to a shop, where I bought it. I'm going to do my best to bring it back up to par.

I know it's tough to see in the previous pics, but the back of the neck has been painted.

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the_other_Adam wrote: ... A previous owner had it in to have some new work done, and the tech decided to repaint the thing without permission while it was in the shop. There was a lawsuit, and the previous owner died.
Now that is a story I'd like to hear more about!
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lawsuit? i'd have broken his legs.
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