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Good thread, would read again.

Billy3000 wrote:

Ankhanu wrote:

endsjustifymeans wrote:Lol, you are clearly from a different generation than I... Avril? As in Hey Hey I don't like your girlfriend? I have a very different outlook on what makes a good female rock vocalist.

Aye, you and I are the same generation... and seem to hold similar outlooks here

Her earlier stuff before the Hey Hey I Don't Like Your Girlfriend garbage was still garbage, but, not nearly so bad. She went from pop-punk icon to standard girl band bland... she had some promise of growing up from pop-punk to maybe something credible, but decided to go in the exact direction her songs were anthems against when she started. Delightful irony

I remember hearing that Girlfriend song and being infuriated with how terrible it was and how catchy it was... it wasn't until months later that I found out who sung it.

If you honestly thought there was any bit of artistic integrity behind her first album that was anti girly girl bands, then it seems like somebody needs to tell you this... Avril Lavigne, and at least 90% of what gets popular on the radio is written be a songwriting team and marketing team combo... They will write one song for one artist and if it takes off, then they'll tweak it to make it ever so slightly different and release it under another artist. Listen to "california girls" by katy perry and Ke-dollarsign-ha's song and you'll hear this. There is no artistic integrity left in mainstream popular radio.

Why you bad mouthing Dr Luke.

YUP.

and why is everyone assuming I'm a dude?
but ok.. woot woot!

jim93 wrote:

Billy3000 wrote:

Ankhanu wrote: Aye, you and I are the same generation... and seem to hold similar outlooks here

Her earlier stuff before the Hey Hey I Don't Like Your Girlfriend garbage was still garbage, but, not nearly so bad. She went from pop-punk icon to standard girl band bland... she had some promise of growing up from pop-punk to maybe something credible, but decided to go in the exact direction her songs were anthems against when she started. Delightful irony

I remember hearing that Girlfriend song and being infuriated with how terrible it was and how catchy it was... it wasn't until months later that I found out who sung it.

If you honestly thought there was any bit of artistic integrity behind her first album that was anti girly girl bands, then it seems like somebody needs to tell you this... Avril Lavigne, and at least 90% of what gets popular on the radio is written be a songwriting team and marketing team combo... They will write one song for one artist and if it takes off, then they'll tweak it to make it ever so slightly different and release it under another artist. Listen to "california girls" by katy perry and Ke-dollarsign-ha's song and you'll hear this. There is no artistic integrity left in mainstream popular radio.

Why you bad mouthing Dr Luke.

I had no idea who that was until you posted this. Until literally right now, I just assumed that the same person wrote Katy Perry's "california girls" and Ke-dollarsign-ha's "tik tok". I did a quick google search of him, and his wikipedia page says that he did in fact write both of those songs, just going to prove my point of how hollow, and empty the current state of popular music is. They find a formula and melody and sound that works, and they tweak it to make it just the slight bit different so that stupid 12 year olds don't notice that it's the same song.

Producers/songwriters like Dr Luke are the problem with current music.

Billy3000 wrote:

jim93 wrote:

Billy3000 wrote: If you honestly thought there was any bit of artistic integrity behind her first album that was anti girly girl bands, then it seems like somebody needs to tell you this... Avril Lavigne, and at least 90% of what gets popular on the radio is written be a songwriting team and marketing team combo... They will write one song for one artist and if it takes off, then they'll tweak it to make it ever so slightly different and release it under another artist. Listen to "california girls" by katy perry and Ke-dollarsign-ha's song and you'll hear this. There is no artistic integrity left in mainstream popular radio.

Why you bad mouthing Dr Luke.

I had no idea who that was until you posted this. Until literally right now, I just assumed that the same person wrote Katy Perry's "california girls" and Ke-dollarsign-ha's "tik tok". I did a quick google search of him, and his wikipedia page says that he did in fact write both of those songs, just going to prove my point of how hollow, and empty the current state of popular music is. They find a formula and melody and sound that works, and they tweak it to make it just the slight bit different so that stupid 12 year olds don't notice that it's the same song.

Producers/songwriters like Dr Luke are the problem with current music.

I wouldnt say producers like Dr Luke are the problem with current music unless someone can prove that anyone is being coerced into buying shitty songs. The biggest reason that music is bad is that the people who actually go out and buy music (not illegally download) are willing to buy the same thing twice.

Also judging current music on just those two songs would be like a 70's version of myself saying that middle 70's music is awful because Abba and disco is formulaic and ignoring Led Zepellin or ELO.

This thread is destined for the hall of fame. Top quality stuff.

Billy3000 wrote:Producers/songwriters like Dr Luke are the problem with current music.

They're not destroying music any more than The Corporation, Phil Spector, Carole King, etc. ever did.

Hit factories have been around for longer than transistor radios. And music's still fine.

honeyiscool wrote:

Billy3000 wrote:Producers/songwriters like Dr Luke are the problem with current music.

They're not destroying music any more than The Corporation, Phil Spector, Carole King, etc. ever did.

Hit factories have been around for longer than transistor radios. And music's still fine.

This I agree with.

Yes, 90% of what they are cranking out is shit... so what, don't buy it. No one else is.
What they music factories are cracking out has absolutely no bearing on what actual artists are doing.

If you're depending on the radio or MTV for your new and exciting music exposure... you're doing it wrong.

some of those katy perry songs are really good. california gurlz (or whatever the hell it is) is catchier than AIDS and teenage dreams is, i must profess, fantastic. shame that firework one is a big steaming puddle of liquid dogshit though.

AIDS is not that catchy. Herpes is.

AIDS is quite catchy, in fact.

honeyiscool wrote:AIDS is not that catchy.

depends entirely on your lifestyle.

stewart wrote:some of those katy perry songs are really good. california gurlz (or whatever the hell it is) is catchier than AIDS and teenage dreams is, i must profess, fantastic. shame that firework one is a big steaming puddle of liquid dogshit though.

I would argue that they are awful.

Completely cheesy use of Synth, like Euro-disco synth.
Awful lyrics, awful message.

I would rather listen to Disco. It was much much better.

The only pop-star that I think can make music is Justin Timberlake... his album was actually kind of different, that FUTURELOVESEXSOUNDORGASM one

Lucamo wrote: The only pop-star that I think can make music is Justin Timberlake... his album was actually kind of different, that FUTURELOVESEXSOUNDORGASM one

I loved this album. Much more on par with what I think of as great pop albums, like Thriller or Like a Virgin, then the rest of the trash they keep cranking out.

People complain about the amount of throwaway music these days while forgetting the amount of throwaway music of yesteryear.

The decades have made it easy to forget the forgettable and the quality stuff tends to stick around. I don't think music is any worse than it has been, if anything it's arguably better now.

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MCR, of course, are here for the duration. One day it will be cool to say you don't like them in the way people say that about the Beatles now.

As horrendously over valued as the Beatles are in the annals of rock history... did you really just compare them to MCR? In their day, the Beatles were a worldwide phenomenon. MCR really only matters to the hot topic crowd.

Fucking ICP will have a more lasting impact...

MCR are a class act.

I like Take That...

Lucamo wrote:The only pop-star that I think can make music is Justin Timberlake... his album was actually kind of different, that FUTURELOVESEXSOUNDORGASM one

But that was Timbaland. He's been making crazy awesome sounding music for a long time now.

Lucamo wrote:

stewart wrote:some of those katy perry songs are really good. california gurlz (or whatever the hell it is) is catchier than AIDS and teenage dreams is, i must profess, fantastic. shame that firework one is a big steaming puddle of liquid dogshit though.

I would argue that they are awful.

Completely cheesy use of Synth, like Euro-disco synth.
Awful lyrics, awful message.

i'm not saying i'd buy an album of it or hunt it down, but it could be worse- i.e. the cynical drivel currently being peddled by rihanna. even the video is laaaaaaame.