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This looks like it's hit the nail on the head. Our view of the market is obviously very biased but I fully expect them to sell boat loads of these. I haven't even bothered playing the strat jack models but I'll certainly give one of these a bash.

Pacafeliz wrote:but seriously... does anyone EVER really use the tremlock?

i find it kinda suspicious that there's only info about these on stores in europe?
maybe they're europe-exclusive?

sure hope not.

I normally leave my Jaguar tremolo locked. It probably operates more like a Mustang tremolo that also doesn't lock. Not having the lock just means if a string breaks the other strings will go out of tune.

endsjustifymeans wrote:Everyone who bought a blacktop JM is probably kicking themselves right now.

Myself included, though mines been sold off at this juncture.

I Still kinda like the blacktop for its simplicity and good base for modding. plus I have a thing for bridge hum/neck single guitars.

I always used to lock my tremz, but lately ive left it unlocked because i havent taken the time to set up my trem all the way.
ASSHOLE ME.

taylornutt wrote:It probably operates more like a Mustang tremolo that also doesn't lock.

Or a strat trem, or a Bigsby trem, or, you know, most other trem systems.

I use my tremloc as a reference point for setting my trem up right - wouldn't be without one. Plus, if a string breaks, I can keep the guitar in tune.

Can you cock the Trem on Classic Players?

You mean lock it? Yeah, the classic player Jazzy/Jaguar have trem-locks on them

More OSG goodness:

Pacafeliz wrote:no no i didn't mean to sound snobby or so.

it's just that... oh man how do i put this...

i mean, "our generation", you had to "work up" to a jazzy, so to speak. this SO cool looking guitar was SO far away. we started out on cheap strats and stuff and then FINALLY we could get an offset. it was like "graduation" - i deserve it.

it's cool that the kids nowadays can get it from the start... but somehow they're spoonfed all these things, all too easily.

yes there'll still be the "someday i'll get a real/old one like this guy's...", they'll still have to work.
but there'll be SO many emo/crappola bands with jazzmasters now.

oh forget it.

Medicine Melancholy wrote:More OSG goodness:

Pacafeliz wrote:no no i didn't mean to sound snobby or so.

it's just that... oh man how do i put this...

i mean, "our generation", you had to "work up" to a jazzy, so to speak. this SO cool looking guitar was SO far away. we started out on cheap strats and stuff and then FINALLY we could get an offset. it was like "graduation" - i deserve it.

it's cool that the kids nowadays can get it from the start... but somehow they're spoonfed all these things, all too easily.

yes there'll still be the "someday i'll get a real/old one like this guy's...", they'll still have to work.
but there'll be SO many emo/crappola bands with jazzmasters now.

oh forget it.

Pat posts here too, what do you mean?

Yes that post did actually come across snobby, but I think anyone who wanted a Jaguar or Jazzmaster 10 years ago feels the same way somewhere deep down.

The whole Fender hierarchy is screwed up though....an affordable strat or tele was also once a pipe dream.

Also I never did "work up" to a jazzy....by the time I could afford one I got a Rickenbacker instead. No regrets.

it's pretty easy to lock it, tbh.

take the spring out, and add a bunch of similar diameter washers.



i'm planning on doing it to the blacktop trem that ends sent me for JAGBLASTER.

Nick wrote:

Medicine Melancholy wrote:More OSG goodness:

Pacafeliz wrote:no no i didn't mean to sound snobby or so.

it's just that... oh man how do i put this...

i mean, "our generation", you had to "work up" to a jazzy, so to speak. this SO cool looking guitar was SO far away. we started out on cheap strats and stuff and then FINALLY we could get an offset. it was like "graduation" - i deserve it.

it's cool that the kids nowadays can get it from the start... but somehow they're spoonfed all these things, all too easily.

yes there'll still be the "someday i'll get a real/old one like this guy's...", they'll still have to work.
but there'll be SO many emo/crappola bands with jazzmasters now.

oh forget it.

Pat posts here too, what do you mean?

Yes that post did actually come across snobby, but I think anyone who wanted a Jaguar or Jazzmaster 10 years ago feels the same way somewhere deep down.

The whole Fender hierarchy is screwed up though....an affordable strat or tele was also once a pipe dream.

Also I never did "work up" to a jazzy....by the time I could afford one I got a Rickenbacker instead. No regrets.

I thought it was funny more than anything. I agree with some of it.

Oi, pat is one of the most genuine posters round these parts, he says it from the heart and i won't hear a word against him.

Mezz- delete this shit.

I mean, that post was a bit snobby but I agree with it to an extent.

that said, I think the more kids that get jazzmasters, the better.

I see validity in the "working up to" meaning more than just a price issue.

Maybe I had the bad luck of finding that offsets in general were not especially available when I was looking when visiting home/SoCal during the 90s, but as one who was pretty much blown away by my first sighting of them on Chapterhouse and Swervedriver and later The Violet Burning videos and live shows, I had no idea that vintage pieces would be hard to come by with teh Kurdtzian onslaught of ripped-plaid smelly bovine singers that were snagging them up (or so I have foolishly guessed in retrospect). Soon I discovered that the ones that could be spotted simply cost too much to justify a guitar that much more different than a Tele, and the pre-internet generation that were were living in certainly wasn't helping. Long story longer, sheer lack of availability in a decent price range meant that the first guitar I was going to get post high school was never going to be a Jaguar or Jazzmaster.

To say what others have already mentioned, J's signature Skwiyah is good news...never has anything so Jazzmasterish been so affordable and (hopefully) available.

Jazzmasters have spent equal times of their existence going for chump change AND too much money. The cheapest worth-a-shit one in 20 years would be pretty exciting, c'mon. Mascis bought his first one because it was CHEAP, that's it.

paul_ wrote:Jazzmasters have spent equal times of their existence going for chump change AND too much money. The cheapest worth-a-shit one in 20 years would be pretty exciting, c'mon. Mascis bought his first one because it was CHEAP, that's it.

This is a good point. Back then they were cheap 'cause no one liked 'em. Now one of the guys who picked one up cheap is paying it forward. That's pretty cool.

i think pat's post is not snobby at all.

heh... thanks guys!

i confess i was a bit tipsy when i typed that... i'm a bit of a romantic, or better said, a nostalgic, or whatever you call it.

OF COURSE i find it fantastic that EVERYBODY can now get a cool jazzmaster. hey and they'll even find out about J Mascis, Dinosaur Jr., the 90s, the "grunge" movement, good music, heart and soul... the "collateral benefit" is huge!!

but i think, somehow, deep down, we all feel a bit like what i described in that post. at least us that were (at least) teenagers in the 90s.
trust me, i'm by no means an egoist, a snob or an asshole. (ok i CAN be an asshole sometimes)

but remember, i work as an primary school teacher. i try (and do) to show them (nowadays oh so) spoiled kids that life isn't a fucking picnic (without the f, of course), like my dad used to say.
it was and still IS delicious to want, REALLY REALLY want something, and doing the impossible to finally get what you REALLY wanted. work for it, fight for it, bleed for it.

i mean, i had to wait 32 years to get my VW Kombi... and even better, i got lucky and got a camper. i will baby that car ... like my baby!

so it was with jags/jazzers for me. ever since i saw teh kurdtz back then, and sonic youth, and dino jr... i was like "fuck what a cool guitar" - WANT!
then, when i graduated from high school in costa rica in '97 my dad gave me $500 to "buy something that makes you happy".
i started investigating how much a sunburst jag/jazzy costs. CIJ was $799. i needed to get $300 more to make my dream come true....
i worked as a tourist guide/translator, i did lawns, i even did shitty office/phone central work. and i EARNED THAT CASH.

sometime later, also as graduation gift, my aunt/godmother(?) who lives in houston, invited me to come visit for a week or two.

but she was always too busy to take me to a guitar store, until the last day. i looked for them jags and jazzers all over, but mars music had just closed (gone bankrupt, i think), and they did have 'em in blue and red, but i wanted sunburst.
finally, i found a s/b jazzmaster and jag at evan's guitar store. i tried them out. i REALLY wanted the jag (teh kurdtz and teh chrome/bling), but the jazzmaster felt SO much better. and IIRC it was even a bit cheaper than the jag. my aunt gave me another $50 and so i walked out with a brand-new sunburst jazzmaster AND a little wooden box with russian stuff on it. in it, a green sovtek big muff. (yes for $49.99) and some fender picks.

I
WAS
FUCKING
KING.

...ok did i get off-topic?

so maybe now, emo-kiddo sees that guy from paramore with a jazzmaster. wants a jazzmaster. goes to GC and gets a jazzmaster.
"mom i'm bored, guitar playing sucks..." and then he makes a youtube video of him flipping and/or smashing it.

...

get it now?
a bit apocalyptic yes, but full of love, somehow.

snobby? well no i don't feel snobby. but whatever.


btw, of course i still have that guitar. when i started going out with my (now) wife 10 years ago, i wanted to share something REALLY fucking special with her. so i cut/carved her name (Maria) into the back of the headstock of the guitar, then we slit our thumbs and filled the name with our blood (...) --- before engaging in intense coitus. ok maybe not... the coitus part... *whistles*



i've used and abused the guitar, thrown it around, modded it, i drew and puked on it.
cuz it's fucking SPECIAL.

geez what a fucking snob i am, huh?

love,

Pat.

FUCKING LOCK THIS THREAD AND THROW IT IN THE HoF

PAT, I'M FUCKING CRYING NOW

Pacafeliz wrote: btw, of course i still have that guitar. when i started going out with my (now) wife 10 years ago, i wanted to share something REALLY fucking special with her. so i cut/carved her name (Maria) into the back of the headstock of the guitar, then we slit our thumbs and filled the name with our blood (...) --- before engaging in intense coitus. ok maybe not... the coitus part... *whistles*

you fool.