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Noirie. wrote:This thread will progress well over the years.

Just like Guns N Roses' butts

For what it's worth I do believe Corsair was thinking out loud about people not in the room and didn't intend to cause offense or harm. I still feel some topics brought up are on the "part of the problem" side of the conversation about women in the music business, but I have respect for how he didn't fly off the handle and start name calling strangers on the internet over a disagreement over interpretation.

Doog wrote:

Noirie. wrote:This thread will progress well over the years.

Just like Guns N Roses' butts

Buns n roses.

Nick wrote:I mean actually the pics used in your post perfecrly illustrate the double standard. A guy plays naked or pretends his guitar is his dick and that's like just rock and roll man. A female player so much performs music on a stage and designs her own guitar and neanderthal guys are like "wow she is so pretty and she must be a lesbian because normal girls can't play guitar good hurr hurr"

Heres an interview with her showing some moves to a guy.
So her signature guitar is shaped like a boxxy girl dress, complementing their boobs and bottoms and it feels more comfortable for women to play.
She's pretty hot and seems pretty cool too and has a creative touch in her stuff. I know she's either lesbian or bi? I know she was dating that model Cara De-something.
I'd play it to see how it sounds, it's an interesting design. Has a vintage 50's car feel to it. Unless it sounds amazing or has a unique tone, I'd rather spend it on something else. Especially at the price, it's being sold at.

Where in Corsairs post do you see this? And where in my response do you see naked men? You asked if I believe in double standards and I showed you in example that I do not. I showed you men exploiting them selves and their sexuality for our gratification. You asked for pecs and cocks and I gave you pecs and cocks. Now take your cock like a man!

For what it's worth I do believe Corsair was thinking out loud about people not in the room and didn't intend to cause offense or harm. I still feel some topics brought up are on the "part of the problem" side of the conversation about women in the music business, but I have respect for how he didn't fly off the handle and start name calling strangers on the internet over a disagreement over interpretation.


You didn't hesitate to call him a sexist did you? Maybe an apology is in order on your part.

And I was just razzing you by the way. hence: Seriously, I love you like a brother, but I think that you went afoul on this one. You are mixed up about what sexism means, but it's not your fault. You're a likely product of public schools and the brainwashing that comes with it. Maybe this will help:

sexism definition

The belief that one sex (usually the male) is naturally superior to the other and should dominate most important areas of political, economic, and social life. Sexist discrimination in the United States in the past has denied opportunities to women in many spheres of activity. Many allege that it still does. ( See also affirmative action, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, glass ceiling, and National Organization for Women.)

If corsair had written: "That's a nice guitar, but it would have been better if it had been designed by a man." or " I listened to her playing and it just goes to show that women can't play as well as men." then it would be fair to label his comments as sexist, but he never said any thing like that.


Who wouldn't want to be a warrior for social justice?

I find that phrase, when used as a putdown to be odd and stupid. It doesn't make sense.

We should all be warriors for social justice where social injustice actually exist.

Check the thread again. I never called anyone a sexist.

Apology. Please.

Nick wrote:Check the thread again. I never called anyone a sexist.

Apology. Please.

there is no doubt sexuality behind St Vincent's music and performances. Sexuality does not = sexism which is what we saw on the last page.

That's your quote Nick.

Ok, I'm not going to respond to all that because most of it is absolute rubbish.

You don't love me like a brother. You don't even fucking know me. I am 31 years old and probably have written things on this forum 10 years ago that would make myself cringe today if you dug them up. I grew up, and life experiences have shown me how to be a better person.

speedfish wrote:

Nick wrote:Check the thread again. I never called anyone a sexist.

Apology. Please.

there is no doubt sexuality behind St Vincent's music and performances. Sexuality does not = sexism which is what we saw on the last page.

That's your quote Nick.

I don't have an hour to spend on the keyboard to explain the history of the many forms of sexism in modern music and why the comments made (and NOT NECESSARILY THE PERSON WHO MADE THE COMMENT, clear distinction here) reinforced them. But I stand by that sexuality does not = sexism statement you quoted. The reason I made it was because I felt he was confusing the two and then questioning why offense was being taken here.

If I was going to call him a sexist I would've done it when he rated his friend a 10/10.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... thday.html


Do you find it intriguing that she chose a male strip club?

I don't see your point at all. I can tell you're trying to make one. Are you calling Annie Clark a sexist for patronizing a strip club?

Nick wrote:Ok, I'm not going to respond to all that because most of it is absolute rubbish.

You don't love me like a brother.

Nick,

did I write love you like a brother? What I meant to say is that I am in love with you and have been for quite some time. Current circumstances aside. I am hopeful that this could still go some where.

jcyphe wrote:

Concretebadger wrote:What doog and jcyphe said. ^

What's wrong with social justice, or any other form of justice for that matter? I don't get it either. Every time I hear right-wing cocksockets throw around phrases like "social justice warrior," "liberal elite," "political correctness" or whatever, I just hear "I don't want anyone calling me out on being ignorant and selfish, because it hurts my fragile little ego."

For the record, I didn't look upon Corsair's posts to be worth worrying about. At worst, it was just a decent guy saying something that got misconstrued. No hard feelings as far as I'm concerned.

I think you can have a criticism about how productive or misplaced an activist's actions are, if you make a logical argument. But using the blanket term SJW is nothing more than dismissive language. It's language designed to demean the person for the purpose of discouraging them.

In the 50's and 60's they called whites who disliked segregation "nigger lovers". Then for most people that became a term you didn't say in polite society. Today it's SJW's and while it's not exactly the same thing, it is the same sentiment. Let's take people who care about justice, equality, and fairness and demean them and defame them because we don't care about these things or think everything is honky dory the way it is.

Good point jcyphe and I think your right. I didn't even think about it in that context until you said that. Like both of you guys said before, I'm all for social justice, equality and progressive ideals. I don't take sides on claiming my political identity for multiple reasons. Mostly because I see people that do are gung ho for their party no matter the stupidity they look past, and that's where confirmation bias kicks in.
But I definitely lean heavily towards the progressive side. But even then I feel like there are some on the progressive side who go too far or take things way too seriously. And it's usually those who give us the bad look and name.
But yeah using it as a blanket term is exactly what they are doing.

Nick wrote:For what it's worth I do believe Corsair was thinking out loud about people not in the room and didn't intend to cause offense or harm. I still feel some topics brought up are on the "part of the problem" side of the conversation about women in the music business, but I have respect for how he didn't fly off the handle and start name calling strangers on the internet over a disagreement over interpretation.

Thanks, man. I'm not trying to create enemies or get people upset at me. I just want peace at the end of the day.
It's been a while since I've been here, so I'm not quite familiar with the board's current collective beliefs and standards.

dezb1 wrote:

Doog wrote:

Noirie. wrote:This thread will progress well over the years.

Just like Guns N Roses' butts

Buns n roses.

I see how your trying to work in that ultra-cool vibe of referencing a restaurant in Marfa, TX.

Also I never realized Gary Oldman was in GnR.

Last bit, contrary to guitar forum dude stereotyping, not all gay women are repulsed by male bodies (or for that matter, gay men by women's bodies). Also we can't be completely shy about how one's gender (or gender identification) and sexuality comes into their aesthetic and artistic vision. Discussing these things isn't sexist, putting people in a box or evaluating their being based strictly on this is.

So has anyone here tried one of these yet?
I have and it was fucking awesome. Very comfortable. Sounded really good. Rosewood neck is gorgeous and my mind wanted to taste it.
DELICIOUS.

I haven't listened to St. Vincent since her 2nd album came out. Some of it is mind-blowing, but much of it is too artsy and whimsical for me. She is an incredible player. I've tried to learn some of the crazy parts from her 1st album and it took me forever to figure it out and play it properly. Some of it is pure wizardry that I gave up on after hours of trying to decipher it. I don't know how she even comes up with half of it.

plopswagon wrote:

dezb1 wrote:

Doog wrote: Just like Guns N Roses' butts

Buns n roses.

I see how your trying to work in that ultra-cool vibe of referencing a restaurant in Marfa, TX.

Also I never realized Gary Oldman was in GnR.

Last bit, contrary to guitar forum dude stereotyping, not all gay women are repulsed by male bodies (or for that matter, gay men by women's bodies). Also we can't be completely shy about how one's gender (or gender identification) and sexuality comes into their aesthetic and artistic vision. Discussing these things isn't sexist, putting people in a box or evaluating their being based strictly on this is.

Completely agree. That's exactly what I was thinking, which is why I made that comment. Describing the guitars feminine features and including my knowledge of her fancy for women, cause I wasn't sure if others knew she fancied women. I thought she expressed her sexuality perhaps in some ways through her custom guitar. I wasn't trying to be sexiest or make a big deal out of the whole thing. I just kinda threw it out there and wondered if any others picked up on that.

Funny, because your original post reads like a list of sexist bollocks.

Corsair wrote:
Heres an interview with her showing some moves to a guy.
So her signature guitar is shaped like a boxxy girl dress, complementing their boobs and bottoms and it feels more comfortable for women to play.
She's pretty hot and seems pretty cool too and has a creative touch in her stuff. I know she's either lesbian or bi? I know she was dating that model Cara De-something.
I'd play it to see how it sounds, it's an interesting design. Has a vintage 50's car feel to it. Unless it sounds amazing or has a unique tone, I'd rather spend it on something else. Especially at the price, it's being sold at.

• - Showing moves to a GUY - how dare she! (Ask yourself; if it was a male guitarist, would you have mentioned the interview's gender? You'll say you would, but you wouldn't have).
  - Boobs/bottoms/comfort - patronising sexist shit.
  - Mention how hot she is early, then give her credit for her creative touch. Because creativity is so rare in musicians.
  - Then immediately on to her sexuality. Like we would if we were talking about East Bay Ray or Stevie Ray Vaughan (and hey, those guys have got some nice creative touches!).

benecol wrote:.
- Then immediately on to her sexuality. Like we would if we were talking about East Bay Ray or Stevie Ray Vaughan (and hey, those guys have got some nice creative touches!).[/list]

Don't forget Stevie Ray's ass... even he couldn't stop looking at it: