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endsjustifymeans wrote:

Pens wrote:

endsjustifymeans wrote: the necks are factually the same... dunno about the bodies.

The new one's bodies surely aren't jag shaped or contoured correctly. The new ones are, infact, shit.

The necks aren't the same. They use those weird ass conversion necks, and it's way to chunky to be a Jag neck.

The original vista necks were 100% the same. They were just jaguar stock re-used. The new neck suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. I had my new jagmaster for a week before I sold the POS.

Oh okay, I've only played the later Jagmasters and the necks were nothing like my Jag. You're probably right on the Vista ones, though. The neck on my Vista Supersonic feels the same as my Jag except for the flatter radius.

laterallateral wrote:

Pens wrote:

endsjustifymeans wrote: the necks are factually the same... dunno about the bodies.

The new one's bodies surely aren't jag shaped or contoured correctly. The new ones are, infact, shit.

The necks aren't the same. They use those weird ass conversion necks, and it's way to chunky to be a Jag neck.

No we're talking about vistas, here. necks are the same. bodies aren't the same.
Vista or otherwise, Jagmasters are not Jaguars.

I'd consider it a Jaguar.

From what I've heard the Vista Jagmasters were pretty much the same as the Supersonic, and as I own both a SS and a Jag, I would call the SS and Jagmaster, Jaguars.

so you're telling me you wouldn't feel a bit mislead if you saw an ad in the classifieds that said "1996 CIJ Jaguar - $400"
and then clicked on it and saw this:



I'd at least fire off a correction email, honnestly.

Had Fender called it a Jaguar Custom, or Jaguar Special? No. But as it stands that would be an incorrect ad.

I see no reason they couldn't have called it such, but they didn't.

Still nobody mentions sound.

The Jag has its own sound, like a Tele, a Strat or a Les Paul or whatever. Ask proggy or stewart why they are currently hunting down Jags- because they played Mike's and it sounds fucking great. The tremolo is smooth and there are plenty of tonal options.
The guitar is a classic. Leave it alone.

endsjustifymeans wrote:Had Fender called it a Jaguar Custom, or Jaguar Special? No. But as it stands that would be an incorrect ad.

I see no reason they couldn't have called it such, but they didn't.

This. If Fender called it a "Squier Jaguar Modern Custom" and the ad listed it as such, then nope, would not be disappointed.

Fran wrote:Still nobody mentions sound.

The Jag has its own sound, like a Tele, a Strat or a Les Paul or whatever. Ask proggy or stewart why they are currently hunting down Jags- because they played Mike's and it sounds fucking great. The tremolo is smooth and there are plenty of tonal options.
The guitar is a classic. Leave it alone.

Some people would say the same about the Tele when the Tele Deluxe came out.

Fran wrote:Still nobody mentions sound.

The Jag has its own sound, like a Tele, a Strat or a Les Paul or whatever. Ask proggy or stewart why they are currently hunting down Jags- because they played Mike's and it sounds fucking great. The tremolo is smooth and there are plenty of tonal options.
The guitar is a classic. Leave it alone.

A tele deluxe sounds nothing like a tele. Yet is still a tele.

hotrodperlmutter wrote:if they made a stop tail strat with two humbuckers and a toggle switch, indifference would ensue. but they actually make a stripped down offset AND RETAIN THE SHORTSCALE, and everyone's got some beef with it.

dots wrote:pump the brakes, earnhardt.

I don't think it's very important if Fender call it a Jaguar or not. It's not very Jaguar-like but them branding it as such makes it a Jaguar variant.

The Jaguar Police will tear this thread apart.

Fuck Jaguars.

hell yeah, i do all the time. that's why i leave my trem arm out so's i can fits mah lil' jank innit.

you guys are all fucking dumb arguing about this stupid shit. you know that right ?

201lb Jaguar.

That's no jaguar.

THARS NO TREM OR FIDDLE SWITCHES!

I'm not even recognising your presence 'til you ditch that sig.

benecol wrote:I'm not even recognising your presence 'til you ditch that sig.

better?

hotrodperlmutter wrote:hell yeah, i do all the time. that's why i leave my trem arm out so's i can fits mah lil' jank innit.

endsjustifymeans wrote:

hotrodperlmutter wrote:

Fran wrote:The Vista Jagmasters used a CIJ Jag body and neck off the same production line

i dunno how true this statement is.

in my side by side compari, they're obviously two totally different guitars. different contours, different grains, different bursts, different routes. we're getting into nitpicks now, but a vista jagmaster is basically a jaguar. the one thing that pushes it over the edge of not-being, is the strat trem.

the necks are factually the same... dunno about the bodies.

The new one's bodies surely aren't jag shaped or contoured correctly. The new ones are, infact, shit.

vistas had the jaguar shape (with slightly different contours as hotrod's comparison has shown). the new ones are jazzmaster shaped. the only difference is the upper horn cutaway. and because the later ones were built for 25.5" scale they moved the bridge up, leaving an even more massive empty space below the bridge than before.

I think this new silver one would look awesome with a mint guard and no humby covers (or normal jag pickups!).