Theory and Pratic ...... String Thuru

iCEByTes · Post by **iCEByTes** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:21 am

Malik Bolt-on have lower sustain than Set Neck , Set ThuruNeck or Neck-thuru

per Simple fact its bolted like

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the \ is joint .... its like Broke the sound Wave
Its nice , And They Give the well all knew Bolt guitar sound , crispy and clean and for sure Thats why strats sounds clean

People like Jeff Beck have money for pay an every guitar they want even an most fucking expensive you can imagine , but jeff dont want they like the strat .... simple fact its strat sound ......

For sure in next years i will want do an Telecaster 1954 reproduction , Why no an 1964 Fender Strat reproduction , Srv White Strat whit lipsticks ..... its different each one is different .....

at last its variety , and its nice have variety

cant figure all people on world using black shoes and white t-shirts every single day....

every people have working brain like experiment new things , sounds , variety , new styles food , new styles sound , new places to visit

i like it over my guitar

i dont have entire colection whit an .... wth 25 floyds
its nice have different styles build , bridge , sounds , sustains , pickups , Builds , Woods
......

even an E Chord sounds diferent when i play on my jag-stang or my Gritante or my V

i can tell i feel the difference even on crap MG30 amp
i can tell my White beauty have more middles , Gritante Less middles and more High and low , Jag-stang is Bassy and clean .....

i belive an Big variety guitars and Good skill for play all them Eletric or Acustic or Nylon its cool Hobby ...... and i love play my guitars every day ....

its cool

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:48 am

Nick wrote:Robroe, myself, Shad, Sloan, Aug, Timhulio, etc the list goes on and on. Sure there's periods of time between mass purchasing, and many things sold in the process, but there's quite a few avid collectors on here, which is to say to a degree that most people would consider a little overkill.

I'm guilty of having way too many guitars and buying too much equipment. but it's just a learning experience i guess.

I think the only annoying thing about icey is that it doesnt sound like he actually plays all these cool guitars he's got. and guitars are made to be played, so it's a big waste. but now he insists he does, so maybe we're all wrong.

I'd love to hear a soundclip of how his playing is coming on.

luke · Post by **luke** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:26 pm

Icey, notice how on the top guitar with the bolt on (yellow represents neck, red represents body), the two pieces of wood are bound together with two strong pieces of metal. When you play, the vibrations resonate through this, across the bolt indeed. But why are you stuck in the mind that sustain is somehow lost because of bolts being there? There's strong contact between the wood.

On a set neck, we have a layer of glue actually stuck between the two pieces of wood. This means minimum contact, and the absorbent substance that is glue is all there is for the vibrations to pass through. Using common sense here, surely you must agree that bolt ons must have more sustain? I know you can give me a hundred and one websites or links or whatever to prove me wrong, but from a scientific standpoint, can we at least consider why these set necks apparently have better sustain?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:37 pm

Malik, do you even know how guitars are built?

let me try to break this down for you. Wood has grain. at least unfinished wood that's going to be on the heel of a neck and the neck cavity. The glue will get into some of those grains that a bolt on won't quite do anything about. Also, no well built guitar is going to use a layer of glue THAT thick as it is in your diagram.

The neck route of a set-in guitar is not the same as a bolt on. It's usually designed as a smaller cavity, so both the heel and fretboard will make contact with the body of the guitar. On a transparent finished guitar do you even SEE the layer of glue?

Any way you look at it your diagram is false information

Go to a guitar center:

Pick up a tele, play for 5 minutes

Pick up a les paul, play for 5 minutes.

come back and tell me the tele has more sustain due to it being bolt on.

Personally I do prefer bolt on, and most people think I'm crazy for it. I don't like the wooly sustainy sound set and thru necks deliver. I also like being able to make adjustments in string angle by shimming the neck if I want. If you're not happy with the action or tension of a set neck guitar you're kinda stuck with it.

euan · Post by **euan** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:51 pm

Aye, and bolt on neck cavities are totally different from the deep tenon neck cavities you get on a set neck Les Paul. There is more tighter contact with the body. A set neck doesn't sit on top of the guitar, its in it.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:58 pm

my point exactly

euan · Post by **euan** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:04 pm

euan wrote:Aye, and bolt on neck cavities are totally different from the deep tenon neck cavities you get on a set neck Les Paul. There is more tighter contact with the body. A set neck doesn't sit on top of the guitar, its in it.

To illustrate my point:

A bit extreme cos this is a long tenon joint, but it does show how different a set neck is from a bolt on. Notice that even though there is a cutaway the neck wood is still surrounded by the guitar body. Oh there is some more sustain there. It is also a deeper pocket than a bolt on and over all even in smaller tenons, there is an increased amount of body to neck contact.

iCEByTes · Post by **iCEByTes** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:52 am

just add neckthuru

see the neck doing an 100% joint over the wood ?
Amazing

Ive got theory , i do no if its true ...

Post by **Mike** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:32 am

THat's bollocks. Just a load of lines on some pictures of guitars.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:37 am

*sighs*

I was hoping one of them would know what they were talking about.

Post by **Mike** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:38 am

Wood Tone?

Neck Range Tone?

ffs. I'm surprised there isn't MOJO arrows on it or some shit.

Post by **Doog** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:38 am

euan · Post by **euan** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:16 am

Doog wrote:

this is more accurate

iCEByTes · Post by **iCEByTes** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:26 pm

its part of things influence on guitar tone

Player , main Influence on tone
Neck Wood and Neck Tone is how much neck influence on guitar sound , Where the neck joint , How the sound Waves act on guitar body
Wood tone is Tone come from Wood
Bridge Style
Pickups ....

Post by **Hurb** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:36 pm

what about the rawk toooones?

JJLipton · Post by **JJLipton** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:19 am

I have to agree with malik here, sometimes you don't want a guitar that has lots of sustain. I think the bolt on neck design, lacking sustain or not is a huge part of the "fender" sound. Of course when it all comes down to it at the end of the day, just play the goddamn guitar.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:21 am

JJLipton wrote:I have to agree with malik here, sometimes you don't want a guitar that has lots of sustain. I think the bolt on neck design, lacking sustain or not is a huge part of the "fender" sound. Of course when it all comes down to it at the end of the day, just play the goddamn guitar.

That's not agreeing with malik, it's agreeing with me. Malik's the one saying Fenders have MORE sustain than set-necks.

Jeesh sometimes it's like I don't even exist.

iCEByTes · Post by **iCEByTes** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:35 am

Nick wrote:
JJLipton wrote:I have to agree with malik here, sometimes you don't want a guitar that has lots of sustain. I think the bolt on neck design, lacking sustain or not is a huge part of the "fender" sound. Of course when it all comes down to it at the end of the day, just play the goddamn guitar.
That's not agreeing with malik, it's agreeing with me. Malik's the one saying Fenders have MORE sustain than set-necks.

Jeesh sometimes it's like I don't even exist.

lmao

my point is Variety the cure for monotomy

jcyphe · Post by **jcyphe** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:55 am

This might be the dumbest thread in the history of the effects Sub Forum.

I want to sell Mojo Arrows to guitar players. I think i could make a million dollarz. Hey Mike, sorry buddy I'm stealing that idea.