Seymour Duncan Quarter Pounder - Q's regarding

theseglossyeyes · Post by **theseglossyeyes** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:47 am

i agree with the too much gain theory. brilliant.

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:18 am

Fran wrote:Why remove the claw? What a load of crap. It could not cause microphonic feedback in any way, it is caused by cavitys inbetween the windings, bobbin and sometimes the cover.

Because as hurb rightly points out:

Hurb wrote:any part of a pickups can cause microphonic feedback. I.E check every bit of it case, screws, claw, if these wobble or have any movement then they could cause feedbacks.

It is well known that you can fix a microphonic PAF pickup by removing or tightening the chrome cover. The jag claw is equivilent to that cover.

Mike wrote:I think not sitting in your bedroom would actually help. If you're in an actual band situation and not being a PUSSY

Why is he a "pussy" for trying to fix a problem with his guitar?? How does this even add to the discussion; you're going to get insulted if you ask a pickup question on the pickup forum now?!

Mike wrote:then your pickups are:

a) not facing your amp..

He's having the issues during band rehersal - how do you know which way he faces?

Mike wrote: b) are further away.

Yes but you amp will be proportionally louder, so that isn't going to help.

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:21 am

Fran wrote:Them 1meg pots are fucking shite with singles when using high gain. Alternatively, Fuzz pedals have always worked better with singles than straight distortion.

That should mean all all telecasters are rubbish in high gain situations, as they use 1MEG pots. they're not, they work great. We dont even know what gain levels he's playing with, so why even critise his tone/setup without hearing it?

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:54 am

For starters i'm not critisizing his tone or set up, i'm trying to help him and save him time that i wasted with the exact same problem. But yeah, based on what information we have from him i'll try to do my best.
The claw is not the same as a chrome cover. It does not encase the bobbin, look at it logically and forget all the mythology surrounding Jaguars for once. Look at the teeth on the claw, they rise on the pole pieces and it is designed to increase sustain by changing the shape of the magnetic field.

I have never heard of tightening a chrome cover on a PAF stops microphonic feedback and considering some of them are soldered together how do you do this? Removing the chrome cover yes. The early PAFs were not potted in any way, the Seth Lover is a direct replica of this. New PAF's are, but far eastern quality does'nt necessarily mean its been done well.

A Telecaster might sound good with high gain but i'll bet its not stock.. high gain Tele players? John 5 - stock? No.
Name me some more. Unless your interpretation of high gain is different to mine the majority of single coils especially with 1meg pots are gonna squeal like a bitch.
There are little ways you can try to get around it (i did'nt say it was impossible) but generally speaking its not an ideal set up.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:56 pm

I enjoy some high gain tele action, but you really have to learn how to play with it, ie. never, ever stop the riffing or give the guitar a chance to feedback.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:52 pm

BacchusPaul wrote: ie. never, ever stop the riffing or give the guitar a chance to feedback.

Thats not much use is it really. Unless you play thrash punk or similar.

othomas2 · Post by **othomas2** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:58 pm

There is obviously differing views here which makes for valid discussion... thanks for those who have contributed... plenty to think about and experiment with...

mike, I do play in a band... as a matter of fact I've just returned from France after playing a handful of gigs..... I also do not bump up the gain to hide bad playing either...

you seem to have some kind of gripe with me for whatever reason I dunno... but you don't know me or what I have done musically !!! Please keep your snide remarks to yourself in future...

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:34 pm

Fran wrote:
BacchusPaul wrote: ie. never, ever stop the riffing or give the guitar a chance to feedback.
Thats not much use is it really. Unless you play thrash punk or similar.

I find that if you concentrate on what you're doing, you can fil the space with something other than riffs, like lead lines or just long held notes. Knowing at what point you're going to start hearing microphonic feedback helps too, as you can plan accordingly.

Although, I agree that single coils arn't really suited to heavy gain. However, you can get away with it sometimes if you're after a desired effect.

Post by **Mike** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:49 pm

othomas2 wrote:There is obviously differing views here which makes for valid discussion... thanks for those who have contributed... plenty to think about and experiment with...

mike, I do play in a band... as a matter of fact I've just returned from France after playing a handful of gigs..... I also do not bump up the gain to hide bad playing either... you seem to have some kind of gripe with me for whatever reason I dunno... but you don't know me or what I have done musically !!! Please keep your snide remarks to yourself in future...

I don't have a problem with you, you're being oversensitive. just like you were when you posted that Jaguar stuff in the other forum.

Get over yourself, it's the internet. Your feedback is caused by one of the below:

1. A vibrating part of the pickup or the pickup itself. Investigate all parts that could be moving and eliminate them.
2. Too much Gain. Try using less.
3. Proximity to the amplifier. Try moving further away and turning your pickups away from the speakers
4. High treble content in the output from the pickups. Roll off the tone control or the volume a bit.
5. Single Coils - not exactly made for high gain.
6. You. Word Harder.

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:29 pm

othomas2 wrote:There is obviously differing views here which makes for valid discussion... thanks for those who have contributed... plenty to think about and experiment with...

I'm eager to hear how you get on - let us know if/how you sort out the problem.

Mike wrote: I don't have a problem with you, you're being oversensitive. just like you were when you posted that Jaguar stuff in the other forum.

Get over yourself, it's the internet.

Says the guy who put time and effort into a Q&A video cos he was so upset by anonymous comments on his gear demos..

Post by **Mike** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:32 pm

Did you actually watch the video? I was clearly not upset, and people LOVED that video. You're an idiot.

aphasiac · Post by **aphasiac** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:50 pm

Mike wrote:Did you actually watch the video? I was clearly not upset, and people LOVED that video. You're an idiot.

nope havent watched it, im not interested. by the fact that you even addressed the issue speaks volumes about your ego.

and the fact that people (including myself) are leaving here for offsetguitars.com and no newbies are joining speaks volumes about your conduct around these parts.

By the way, saying owen was being "too sensative" after you rudely insulted him is a typical bullying tactic, to try and make out the victim is imagining the bullying. you've actually used it on me a few times too. you're a twat basically, well done.

Post by **Mike** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:55 pm

aphasiac wrote:
Mike wrote:Did you actually watch the video? I was clearly not upset, and people LOVED that video. You're an idiot.
nope havent watched it, im not interested. by the fact that you even addressed the issue speaks volumes about your ego.

Probably best to have the detail before commenting on something, No? Speaking from a position of knowledge means you'll make less of a twat about yourself.

aphasiac wrote:the fact that people (including myself) are leaving here for offsetguitars.com

You appear to still be posting here, unfortunately.

aphasiac wrote:and no newbies are joining

False. We get about 4 a day, many of them are attracted to the site by my gear demos which advertise it, in fact.

aphasiac wrote:speaks volumes about your conduct around these parts.

ROLF

aphasiac wrote:By the way, saying owen was being "too sensative" after you rudely insulted him is a typical bullying tactic, to try and make out the victim is imagining the bullying. you've actually used it on me a few times too. you're a twat basically, well done.

Again, you need to read the thread he got all butthurt about posting Jaguar stuff in. He got upset for no reason - I wasn't even involved.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:52 pm

othomas2 wrote:There is obviously differing views here which makes for valid discussion... thanks for those who have contributed... plenty to think about and experiment with...

Dude, heres my last two penneth on the subject. I use high gain, my style ranges from punk to thrash metal.
These are the things i tried in the bridge position after reading countless threads, advice and websites...

1/ stock pup without claw
2/ stock pup wax potted with/without claw
3/ red lace sensor without claw
4/ sd qp with claw
5/ sd vintage with claw
6/ sd jb jr without claw
7/ sd hotrails without claw
8/ dimarzio breed humbucker

All the standard single coil methods resulted in feedback problems. The single coil size humbuckers produced better results but the standard humbucker wins hands down.
Srsly, anyone wanting a 'beefy' Jaguar should consider the MIM and HH models or go down the same route as me and kurdtz (lolz) and buy a second hand Jag specifically to modify.

Good luck with it.

othomas2 · Post by **othomas2** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:37 pm

Thanks fran... you're a gent

Aeon · Post by **Aeon** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:58 pm

I have an extra quarter pounder pickup, I tried it on my old Mustang but didn't really like the results. In retrospect, I bet it's because I didn't change the pot values to the intended 1Meg.

However, I don't recall it ever feeding back (unless I purposely set it to do so). I use a Twin Reverb with various gain pedals -- Tubescreamers, Big Muffs, etc.

What exactly is the amp you are using? What, if any, pedals are you using? Some guitars/pickups simply don't "like" certain setups and sound better with alternatives.

Or it could just be a faulty pickup?

PS: Don't take Mike so seriously. He can come off rather abrasive sometimes, but that's part of his charm. I'd much prefer a board with personality than something so strictly moderated that's about guitar technicalities 100% of the time.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:51 pm

Aeon wrote:I have an extra quarter pounder pickup, I tried it on my old Mustang but didn't really like the results. In retrospect, I bet it's because I didn't change the pot values to the intended 1Meg.

1meg is'nt intended. That is what i am talking about, 1meg is a bad choice for single coils because of the treble saturation (unless you 'pot hack' with caps.).
I dont know of any Fender guitar(s) that traditionally uses1meg pots other than the Jazzy and Jag, which i presume is intended to aid a surfy sound.
1meg is better suited to bassy tonewood guitars with humbuckers as a rule.

Aeon · Post by **Aeon** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:03 pm

I don't find Jazzmaster pickups too bright, they are more mellow than a Strat or Tele even with the tone rolled way up.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:10 pm

Aeon wrote:I don't find Jazzmaster pickups too bright, they are more mellow than a Strat or Tele even with the tone rolled way up.

Jazzy pups are slightly different to average singles, they are more overwound.
But they lack the bite and sustain of your said comparisons because of the bridge/tail piece set up. Still they are very trebly. I've owned a handfull of Jazzys, granted they are less problematic than Jags but they still squeal.

Aeon · Post by **Aeon** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:17 pm

I have a custom guitar with a Telecaster bridge and JM neck pickup, it does not sound too bright in the neck position. In fact it sounds more mellow than my AVRI Jazzmaster's neck. And both have 1Meg pots.

But I do think they have different cap values than a Strat or Tele, I forget exactly what it is, but it's like .02uF I believe. So that probably compensates for the 1Meg's effect on brightness.

Also, I've yet to have any microphonic feedback from these pickups. Granted, the American JM pickups are wax potted, and you might have been playing different versions?