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it's strange to me though that the cliche you associate with them is a genre of music that didn't come out until decades after its debut. The non-tele/strat fenders have become something like vintage t-shirts. Stuff that wasn't cool 20-30 years ago that only became cool once it was radically different (and much cheaper) than what people are using in the present.

The way I see it is that these types of guitars are mainly used by bands most of whose audiences also are musicians, therefore contrary to Mike's opinion, I believe that a greater portion of the audience of an indie rock band will recognize certain guitars moreso than fans of a mainstream act would.

Nick wrote:it's strange to me though that the cliche you associate with them is a genre of music that didn't come out until decades after its debut.

Well, 80's metal didn't come all that naturally on a Jazzmaster, so it took them a little longer than most popular electric guitars to catch on, but not by much. The Les Paul sure does seem to remind a lot of people of the 70's despite coming out in '52 and being "discovered" for it's most popular purpose in about '65/'66. And it's pretty much Hendrix who did what's been done to the Strat's popularity, roughly 13-15 years after it's debut. Fender were pushing the Jazzie and Jaguar a lot harder than the strat for most of the 60's. Really the only guitar that settled RIGHT into a stylistic rut was the tele, because it was the only one that did what it did at the time when you were sitting in a big swing group. I don't think that it's strange to associate Jazzmasters with indie alty grungey stuff, I think it's pretty much the safest assumption you could make with any electric guitar this side of a locking nut these days, as Fenders are iconic enough to survive on looks and reputation alone and can all do a fair impression of each other.

We're all just pussyfooting around the real issue here, which is that everyone's got kronik kurdtz. This kid at my friend's work asked my friend if he was a "REAL dino jr fan or just someone who checked them out after reading a cobain interview", to which my friend asked him what it was like to hear Dino Jr's best work as a fetus.

Nick wrote:The way I see it is that these types of guitars are mainly used by bands most of whose audiences also are musicians

You vastly overestimate how many people play guitar.

paul_ wrote:We're all just pussyfooting around the real issue here, which is that everyone's got kronik kurdtz. This kid at my friend's work asked my friend if he was a "REAL dino jr fan or just someone who checked them out after reading a cobain interview", to which my friend asked him what it was like to hear Dino Jr's best work as a fetus.

+1 to fetus joke

TrewLolz.


Anyway, real men play Duo Sonics.

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Nick wrote: Really the only guitar that settled RIGHT into a stylistic rut was the tele, because it was the only one that did what it did at the time when you were sitting in a big swing group.

when i first started playing in bands (about 12 years ago) one of my friends used to snort at telecasters because they were 'country guitars' in his opinion, whereas i'd have thought "well syd barrett used one". different people make different associations. i'd say the music made on them was more important than ever-changing fashions.

right, i'm off to chuck out my converse hi-tops in case someone thinks i like nirvana too much...

...and be hopeful i never give cause to be associated with this!