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turtle wrote:How Soon is Korean yes/no?

Not quite...

Although there are dozens of characters that are pronounced soon and all mean entirely different things, the three most common usage of the word soon (순) is a syllable from one of the following the Chinese characters I've listed below, the first two fairly common in Korean names(purity/ order), so yes, "soon" by itself is Korean. However they are used mostly in "old school" girls' names of the past, much how you don't find many girls these days with the name ETHEL, GERTRUDE, or er...FANNY. Typical granny/hokey names that use soon are Soonja, Soonsook, Soonhee(a proper romanized variant on Woody Allen's Soon Yi, as the enunciated syllable yi/yee cannot actually be written in Korea, and sounds like ee or hee, depending on the actual syllable), and others, although it's occasionally used in men's names of yore, such as my father-in-law's name Soonyoung Kim.

純 - purity

順 - order, sequence

巡 - to turn, return, patrol

The pronounced syllable(s) of how/hao doesn't exist in Korean wordings (although can be enunciated/pronounced if needed), but the common usage of it in Chinese as the character for "good/like" is similarly pronounced in Korean as the monosyllabic ho, the Chinese character itself used frequently in the three East Asian languages, although its Korean usage is reserved for very special cases when combined exclusively with other syllables, never used as simply "I/you/he/she/they/we like" as in Chinese and Japanese:


好

Mandarin: hào
Korean: ho
Japanese: suki

innit reckon?

James wrote:

rrrob9 wrote:

James wrote:I was jos keeding.

i'd think very careful before joking about the smiths

Why? They aren't that good.

shit dude you're asking for it now! lol

whether you like them or not, smiths fans tend to be fairly devoted

I'm not a Smiths fan.

The brilliance of about 20 of their songs can't be denied though.

ultratwin wrote:

turtle wrote:How Soon is Korean yes/no?

Not quite...

Although there are dozens of characters that are pronounced soon and all mean entirely different things, the three most common usage of the word soon (순) is a syllable from one of the following the Chinese characters I've listed below, the first two fairly common in Korean names(purity/ order), so yes, "soon" by itself is Korean. However they are used mostly in "old school" girls' names of the past, much how you don't find many girls these days with the name ETHEL, GERTRUDE, or er...FANNY. Typical granny/hokey names that use soon are Soonja, Soonsook, Soonhee(a proper romanized variant on Woody Allen's Soon Yi, as the enunciated syllable yi/yee cannot actually be written in Korea, and sounds like ee or hee, depending on the actual syllable), and others, although it's occasionally used in men's names of yore, such as my father-in-law's name Soonyoung Kim.

純 - purity

順 - order, sequence

巡 - to turn, return, patrol

The pronounced syllable(s) of how/hao doesn't exist in Korean wordings (although can be enunciated/pronounced if needed), but the common usage of it in Chinese as the character for "good/like" is similarly pronounced in Korean as the monosyllabic ho, the Chinese character itself used frequently in the three East Asian languages, although its Korean usage is reserved for very special cases when combined exclusively with other syllables, never used as simply "I/you/he/she/they/we like" as in Chinese and Japanese:


好

Mandarin: hào
Korean: ho
Japanese: suki

in a visual translation................Gam say ham knee da

hey anyone tried listening to the intro in just the right earphone? it sounds really out of time, not what you'd expect

BobArsecake wrote:[youtube][/youtube]

That is too fucking good^.

beat me to it, i really wanted to try out two behringer tremolo's to see if they could replicate something close to it

So I got to piddling about with the tremolo pedal etc, and got it to the right speed (flick the switch to "slow" and have the speed at just slightly past 3 o'clock) and I managed to get a close enough (to me anyway) of how Johnny Marr gets it on the record, just without loads of amps and loops etc etc.

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Sounds ace! We are defo doing that song next time!

BobArsecake wrote:So I got to piddling about with the tremolo pedal etc, and got it to the right speed (flick the switch to "slow" and have the speed at just slightly past 3 o'clock) and I managed to get a close enough (to me anyway) of how Johnny Marr gets it on the record, just without loads of amps and loops etc etc.

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Sounds fucking lovely mate. Nice one.

Cheers, chaps :D I was playing with it for ages before I made the video, it sounds so good in person, like loud/powerful etc. I was playing it totally clean without the Salt Boost, and it just sounded a bit quiet/empty, so I clicked it on and it kind of completed it :D I didn't get the timing quite right with sychronising my guitar with the tremolo, but when I did before it sounded great.

BobArsecake wrote:So I got to piddling about with the tremolo pedal etc, and got it to the right speed (flick the switch to "slow" and have the speed at just slightly past 3 o'clock) and I managed to get a close enough (to me anyway) of how Johnny Marr gets it on the record, just without loads of amps and loops etc etc.

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Brilliant jon. Its so nice to see you do a vid as well.
I read the Johnny Marr biography not long back and like someone mentioned... that song was a complete pain in the arse to record. I'm almost sure 'How soon is now' was the song that took him two years to write, lol, imagine that! Talk about perfection. How many ideas do we write then discard? He kept it on the backburner all that time knowing it would be a great song in the end.
Tap Tremelo was not available in the 80's and i dont recall them becomming available untill the late 90's at the earliest. Needless to say, no pedal sounds quite like an amp tremelo plus Marr multi layered everything. He went to town on every song like he was painting a masterpiece adding colour all the time.
Marr also struggled to recreate some stuff live, he was too good for himself. As Noel states here...


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Very nice vid mr.arsecake. Good job on finding that sound.

that sounds fantastic

Thanks :D I've slowed the speed down a bit and it sounds better xD

Good work...Considerably well done in the tempo sync department!

Cheers! :D When playing along with the song it'll sound out of synch for about 10 or so seconds every perhaps minute and a half, maybe more, but in a live/cover situation it wouldn't be noticable at all I don't think.

Here's my attempt at doing a demo, with a few additional effects for a bit more of a synth like sound.

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Great stuff!

Hatful of Hollow is the only Smiths album with songs I don't feel the need to skip. And it has the best versions of songs.

That video above is sexcellent.