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robert(original) wrote:your stripped a mosrite ventures model.
get the fuck off the board, i never want to hear your name again!


BE GONE!

I was 18 in '79 and had never heard of them, although I did realize it was USA made and good quality... I traded some guy a 60s MIJ Domino Bass for it and promptly stripped the "ugly" SB off of it and never reassembled it.

(I sold it in pieces for $150, alligator case and all, and thought I got a good deal)

ok i searched in the old PC and found these pics!










maybe some photoshopping can get some more light into this one... sorry... that was about 5 or 7 years ago (crappy digicam)!

now... pretty amazing, looking back, how back then most of my gear was offset/shortscale!!!

'73 mustang bass, '73 strat, '64 mustang (refin i made and a little'59 in the bridge YEAH!), '97 cij jazzmaster, '78/9 mustang (terrible old refin), '66 musicmaster II (home-made CAR refin), '80 mustang --- and a stripped '63 jaguar in the front (which was later on refinned in white)

and then some...




sorry the kinda hijack, but i just got excited finding these old pics again. *sigh*

Pat.

Wow, the trans red with maple board looks nice, I've not seen one before.

fullerplast wrote:

which is odd when you consider that in the 70's everybody was stripping their vintage custom colour Fenders in order to put on a stained wood finish.

Not really odd IMO.

I think the 70s Natural and Walnut finishes were the reason everybody was stripping their "crappy" old pre-CBS nitro finished guitars... to make them look modern and new! I wonder how many guys smashed their nuts with two bricks in the 80s when their stripped/poo stained guitars became collectible?

The funny thing is the bad guitar trend of the decade is relicing, and nobody seems to be getting that.

I think it's for sure the bad guitar trend of the decade.

60's - Had people painting their guitars goofy dayglo colors.

70's - Bad strip jobs, questionable hardware "upgrades", rippping out those "wimpy" PAF's for dimarzio humbuckers.

80's - The Floyd Rose trem on original guitars like Strats and even vintage Les Pauls . Airbrush grafix, routed strats for humbuckerz.

90's - The flame maple cap explosion, every guitar maker tried to be PRS.

00's - The relics, oh god the relics.

jcyphe wrote:

fullerplast wrote:

which is odd when you consider that in the 70's everybody was stripping their vintage custom colour Fenders in order to put on a stained wood finish.

Not really odd IMO.

I think the 70s Natural and Walnut finishes were the reason everybody was stripping their "crappy" old pre-CBS nitro finished guitars... to make them look modern and new! I wonder how many guys smashed their nuts with two bricks in the 80s when their stripped/poo stained guitars became collectible?

The funny thing is the bad guitar trend of the decade is relicing, and nobody seems to be getting that.

I think it's for sure the bad guitar trend of the decade.

60's - Had people painting their guitars goofy dayglo colors.

70's - Bad strip jobs, questionable hardware "upgrades", rippping out those "wimpy" PAF's for dimarzio humbuckers.

80's - The Floyd Rose trem on original guitars like Strats and even vintage Les Pauls . Airbrush grafix, routed strats for humbuckerz.

90's - The flame maple cap explosion, every guitar maker tried to be PRS.

00's - The relics, oh god the relics.

I was actually thiking about relicing like that the other day. In that thread where fullerplast striped a mosrite and rob(og) thought it was unforgiveable, the defence was that it was the thing to do at the time. I think in 10-20 years we'll see people on forums like this (or the future equivilant) talking about what a shame it is that someone took a belt sander to an otherwise great looking guitar. Obviously people do that now, but I imagine it'll be worse once the trend wears off.

jcyphe wrote:
The funny thing is the bad guitar trend of the decade is relicing, and nobody seems to be getting that.

+1

jcyphe wrote:
The funny thing is the bad guitar trend of the decade is relicing, and nobody seems to be getting that.

I agree 100%.

I've never understood the point of relicing a guitar. For one thing, the majority of relic jobs I've seen really do look like the paint wear was done by a belt sander. I've seen enough old Fenders with honest wear to recognize many of the crappier relic jobs for what they are. Granted, some rare relics do look convincing, but again: why? I would never buy a car and proceed to key the paint job, scratch up the bumpers and bust a tail light with a hammer to make it look worn in.

It bears repeating: if people want a guitar with a worn finish, why don't they just play the hell out of one and let it happen naturally?

Pacafeliz wrote:

mustang bass looks crazy good.

What a collection. Joe is right about relics. It will be our undoing. The Chinese hordes are waiting just over the hill.

astro wrote:

jcyphe wrote:
The funny thing is the bad guitar trend of the decade is relicing, and nobody seems to be getting that.

I agree 100%.

I've never understood the point of relicing a guitar. For one thing, the majority of relic jobs I've seen really do look like the paint wear was done by a belt sander. I've seen enough old Fenders with honest wear to recognize many of the crappier relic jobs for what they are. Granted, some rare relics do look convincing, but again: why? I would never buy a car and proceed to key the paint job, scratch up the bumpers and bust a tail light with a hammer to make it look worn in.

It bears repeating: if people want a guitar with a worn finish, why don't they just play the hell out of one and let it happen naturally?

Yeah... it IS kind of funny. I'm also involved in the car hobby/restoration and as you say... can u imagine fake rust holes, door dings, bald tires... etc...
My objection to it is not so much relicing per se, but the awful job of it we see on eBay every day. It makes me wonder if these guys have ever even SEEN a vintage guitar. The worst ones IMO are the belt sanding poly finishes and yellow tint sprayed on the pickguard...

I've never been a relicing fan. I don't baby my guitars so it's not a "cleanliness is godliness" thing, but I always prefer a cleaner vintage guitar or a refinished one to a beat up one generally. And that's when the wear is genuine and not faked.

I've been around the block too many times on this to post it again, but I'm not a relicing fan. Oddly enough the only relic'd new guitar I like is the Joe Strummer one, and that I guess it mainly just because I like Joe Strummer.

I agree that relics are a bad trend, but I don't think they will be limited to this decade. As long as there is a market for vintage guitars, there will be a market for relics. A lot of people can't afford to have a pre-CBS Strat or Tele, and a well made relic can give them the look and feel at a fraction of the cost. I don't think we'll see the relics go away until vintage prices drop dramatically.

I personally would not pay a premium to get a beat up new guitar, but I don't hate relics. I've played some niiiice Custom Shop Relic Strats. I just can't stand the poorly done ones.

Remember a few years ago everyone was buying pre-worn denim? You could hardly find anything else.

The only reason I can think of for purposely dinging a brand new guitar is that it's always heartbreaking the first time you do it by accident.

Richard wrote:a well made relic can give them the look and feel at a fraction of the cost.

Rubbish.

You can't get the feel of an old instrument from tinting lacquer and smacking it about a bit. It'll just feel like what it is, a thrown about new guitar.

I was really torn by this last week when Cowbell and I went to Guitar Centre. There was this Custom Shop 60s Stratocaster in Daphne Blue, and it was relic'd. It was sooo nice though, if it'd had been $500 or so cheaper I'd have bought it. I was a bit put off by the CS relicing but it played ridiculously well, and to be honest did look the mutt's fucking nuts.

Couldn't believe the prices of some of that shit.

$50,000?

Fuck OFF. No guitar is worth 50 large.

Oh they were genuine vintage ones, the one I was flailing about was $2000, which is still quite a lot, and why I didn't buy it.

I know they were vintage.

50,000?

FUCK OFF.

yeah, relic'd stuff is kinda lame even tho i am guilty of it
BUT!!!
in my defense the neck was vintage and having a worn in vintage neck on abunch of new shiny stuff is just retarded looking
so i had to make it look like my dream electric XII
(worn ass oly white! yeah!)