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william wrote:out of curiousity, what gauge strings do you use on that tele to get tuned so low? i tried it after seeing your TGD demo but it went all spaghetti. are the low b's the same octave? what are the upper two strings, b e?

can't wait for this pedal, if she likes it she'll probably get it. sounds better than the fuzz war and more interesting than the creampuff.

do you have any other clips or demos of TGD, besides the one on tone factor? id like to hear more, i might get that one too.

thanks aen!

Regarding the tuning- I use a GHS string set called "heavy hitters" I htink, they are .70-.11 with my selected strigns being .70, .52 (or 54) .30something and 11. They used to be the Zakkkkk wylldlllle signature low tuning set, but he got a different endorsment, so they took his name off and kept selling the set. The higher strings (as in pitch) are octaves of B. So I have 3 octaves of B with a F# wedged in for proper "fifths of doom". TGD demos? Yeah, we have those.


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A Lot of these are pretty much just noise fests, but once in a while theres some guitar stuff

my guitarist has a creampuff.
its more of a smooth booming fuzz, so i guess it does boost low end a little.

sounds VERY siamese dream era pumpkins to the point where sometimes he cant use it as we will sound too much like SP

Have you tried the devi-ever shoegazer? it seems fairly bassy, atleast from the videos.

Aen, this demo rocks. I'm sold, plus a defiance.

aen wrote:im comig out with a bass fuzz here pretrty soon, clled hair of the dog. it has a clean blend on it, too.

http://bestnetworx.com/uploader/files/63/Cig-Guitar.mp3

here it is rippin up my little sissy practice amp. I;ve done a couple tweaks since then so its even more bassy.

as for bassy fuzz. go check out some devi ever pedals: cherry pop, soda meiser(rocket/synth mangler), or bass fuzz.

I've been playing in this kind of setup for a while, two guitarist and a drum machine.

We've tried cream puff, barge concepts bb-1, fender blender, and a lot more for synthy fuzz bass line.

the true winner is soda meiser.

superfuzz wrote: devi-ever shoegazer? it seems fairly bassy, atleast from the videos.

nope.

i mean, more than say, a blender, but its pretty trebly. The sodameiser family has a great grinding low though.

aen wrote:

superfuzz wrote: devi-ever shoegazer? it seems fairly bassy, atleast from the videos.

nope.

i mean, more than say, a blender, but its pretty trebly. The sodameiser family has a great grinding low though.

Fair enough, i've got major bassy computer speakers, so that could be why I thought so.

so far the demos for the hair of the dog and cream puff sounds the best. i think she is leaning towards the creampuff, but im pretty into the HOTD. the creampuff seems smoother, HOTD has some rasp.

the DE shoegaze seemed pretty bassy to us, too. interesting to hear that it isnt.

HOTD really sounds amazing in that clip...I think I'm gonna get one when its out.

creampuff sounds good alone but tend to lost in the mix because the mid is too scooped and no way to dial it out without an eq.
I love mine. it's my very first fuzz, but I never use it in gigs, just recordings.

DE shoegaze is soda meiser (ultra bass heavy) boosting torn's peaker (trashy and A LOT of gain but somehow retain the note definition). It's a great combination, but for the sound you are after, SM alone would be better.

there are also some bass heavy fuzzes on fuzzhugger's page, like the small sound/ big sound one and protone octave down pedal you can check out. I haven't tried those, but they are on my list of bassy fuzz purchase.

william wrote:so far the demos for the hair of the dog and cream puff sounds the best. i think she is leaning towards the creampuff, but im pretty into the HOTD. the creampuff seems smoother, HOTD has some rasp.

the DE shoegaze seemed pretty bassy to us, too. interesting to hear that it isnt.

foll wrote:HOTD really sounds amazing in that clip...I think I'm gonna get one when its out.

creampuff sounds good alone but tend to lost in the mix because the mid is too scooped and no way to dial it out without an eq.
I love mine. it's my very first fuzz, but I never use it in gigs, just recordings.

DE shoegaze is soda meiser (ultra bass heavy) boosting torn's peaker (trashy and A LOT of gain but somehow retain the note definition). It's a great combination, but for the sound you are after, SM alone would be better.

there are also some bass heavy fuzzes on fuzzhugger's page, like the small sound/ big sound one and protone octave down pedal you can check out. I haven't tried those, but they are on my list of bassy fuzz purchase.

yeah, the SS/BS on fuzzhugger looks good.

as far as the creampuff, I think it actually might be sort of good that it's scooped. my vocals and guitar will be taking up alot of the midrange, and her guitar is there largely to just sound big and fill the other space. mostly her sound is going to be a woozy sort of drifting sound. MBV had this set up live, and it blew my mind. but there are pretty much no clips on youtube that demonstrate what i heard at all. as soon as the guitar kicks in, its just noise. i wish someone would make some pro video/audio of this tour.

we don't want to copy MBV, but its kind of our takeoff point, if you will.


i am officially having mike make me a mammoth, so my heavy fuzz needs should be covered. looks like she will get the puff.

next i think i'll go for a TGD. mike, do you make a copy?


...just kidding.

haha.. my old pal Aen makes in-imitable effect pedals. Go to the source.

yeah, i have been super impressed by the dwarf demos so far. on the TGD demo called "final demo," there is a brief part where it sounds like a distorted rhodes. im sort of amazed.

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at about 3:58.

then he turns a knob and it sounds like a guitar again.

its cool. i love this pedal, i must have one.

The Cream Puff is fantastic for doing Siamese Dream-era pumpies, but take note that in loud live situations the general lack of mids and overall smoothness can make it much less pronounced than other fuzzes. Bass response is certainly massive, so caution is advised if used as a bass fuzz...I came really close to blowing up 10" cones on a Trace Elliot combo a while back like that.

As for an interesting bass guitar option that has the balls to overtake a guitarist, I've recently had the time of my life feeding the Prescription Electronics Depth Charge(Bass Fuzz) with the Micro POG(dry=max, up=2:00, down=12:00) and blaring picked 5ths in mad downstrokes during hard rocking song choruses.. Absolutely brutal, I've never heard anything so harmonically rich (yar, six principle tones plus overtones) yet as big as a wall of lead-filled locusts.

The Depth Charge's blend knob makes complete sense out of a pedal that has the potential to destroy whatever tonal enters it, but the low end retention is the mutt's nuts at any setting. The magic is overdriving the front end of the Ashdown head I use plus just enough fuzz from the pedal itself + POG. When a bass guitar needs to fill the gaps at every level, it's an approach I'd recommend.

i will deffinitly tell you.
the hair of the dog is one KICK ASS MOTHER FUCKING PEDAL!
i opted for the eau claire thunder becuz it has the best parts of the HOTD, and TGD.
plus its in a huge fucking box so it looks cooler anyway.

It's killing me that I can't afford the plane ticket to see them. Not even enough for goning to Japan.

Is Kevin's guitar the noise one or Belinda's? I am always curious about it.

Creampuff will definitely do the trick. I suggested as the only guitar player in the band, so I was worried about the cut through problem. BTW, stacking a fender blender or any kind of ring mod/octave/zvex machine kind of weird fuzzes into creampuff sounds great, too, for pure noise guitar.

Mike's mammoth would surely be great for bassy stuff

william wrote: yeah, the SS/BS on fuzzhugger looks good.

as far as the creampuff, I think it actually might be sort of good that it's scooped. my vocals and guitar will be taking up alot of the midrange, and her guitar is there largely to just sound big and fill the other space. mostly her sound is going to be a woozy sort of drifting sound. MBV had this set up live, and it blew my mind. but there are pretty much no clips on youtube that demonstrate what i heard at all. as soon as the guitar kicks in, its just noise. i wish someone would make some pro video/audio of this tour.

we don't want to copy MBV, but its kind of our takeoff point, if you will.


i am officially having mike make me a mammoth, so my heavy fuzz needs should be covered. looks like she will get the puff.

next i think i'll go for a TGD. mike, do you make a copy?


...just kidding.

kevin did the melodies and weird swelly noises and what not, and bilinda did the wall-like rhythm.

it was the best couple of hours of my life. it was like seeing god. and his hot girlfriend. who is also god. and their band who is god.

pretty much the songs went like this:

intro: kevin would play noise and/or melody while bilinda played massive chords

verses: both would play rhythm while one or both sang

noisey bridges: both would play noise

i dont think she really played single notes at all. her job seemed to be to keep the overall presence at 10 the whole time. he filled out the whole "song" part, except when she sang.

they didnt talk at all, until right before "you made me realise" she said "thanks for coming!" and he said "yeh, thanks." the "holocaust section" lasted 25 minutes and rumbled the floor so hard i thought i was going to fall over. some of the security guards didnt have ear plugs and i think they were in real pain.

these are the pedals he used at the very show in chicago i saw:



that was on a table beside him

See, as much as a I love kevin shields, that's just fucking stupid.

He could use a quarter of those and just change settings a few times and I doubt even his own band would notice, let alone the audience.

He has two of the worst pedals ever made by Boss, the AC-2 Acoustic Simulator and the AW-3 Dynamic Wah.

Chonst.

He needs 'em for their cover of Once Around The Block by Badly Drawn Boy..

sorry guys, but he rules. i dont care how many 'bad' boss pedals he has.

but yeah, its kind of excessive.

still. rules.