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Interesting thread at Offset

The thread starter really knows his stuff. He's the guy who told me all about my amp from the few gut shots I posted. He's probably the most knowledgable amp guy I've seen on a forum.

Anyway, the thread talks about the Princeton Reverb amps. Comparing the construction of an original and the reissue. I imagine much of it will apply to this amp.

I can't stand the 'hand-wired' mojo stuff when it boils down to a few marketing terms that don't mean anything at all (this post was hand-typed), but he has a decent go at trying to hold back on the old amp bias and get to what matters.

Hmm, you don't need to be registered to view it anymore? 0_o

Digital effects on a tube head are an unspeakably bad thing?

Whoa.

Can I have all you dudes' digital effects pedals and recording set-ups then?

paul_ wrote:Digital effects on a tube head are an unspeakably bad thing?

Whoa.

Can I have all you dudes' digital effects pedals and recording set-ups then?

The difference is, if these effects get wonky(which they probably will) you cant just replace the stomp box, but you have to have some surgery done on your $1200+ amplifier, that is not a re-issue of the famed bandmaster reverb.

Its like if they took the vibrato and reverb circuits out of a twin reverb, and replaced them with two effects emulating a twin-reverbs reverb and vibrato, making it sound cold and digital.

Its not like they dont have the bandmaster reverb circuit(yeah, its called the super reverb).

I do see your point about it not being a big deal, but I dont see why fender is doing this.

paul_ wrote:Digital effects on a tube head are an unspeakably bad thing?

Whoa.

Can I have all you dudes' digital effects pedals and recording set-ups then?

I don't like any effects on amps to be quite frank.

Wasn't the CyberTwin all digital and shit with T00UBLES>>>?

Sloan wrote:Wasn't the CyberTwin all digital and shit with T00UBLES>>>?

Yeah, and they have been known to break down and are expensive to get fixed.

It's not like they have some awesome DSP in there like you'd find on a rack reverb or delay unit, made by a company that takes that stuff seriosuly.


From my experiences with past Fender DSP amps, they're mad cheesy.

jcyphe wrote:It's not like they have some awesome DSP in there like you'd find on a rack reverb or delay unit, made by a company that takes that stuff seriosuly.
From my experiences with past Fender DSP amps, they're mad cheesy.

+10000000

Companies like Roland can make digital stuff that's still running strong after 20+ years because it's all they do. Fender, Line 6, and the others just do it as a cheap way to sell amps to noobs who've never experienced an amp breakdown.

I would be amazed if one of these amps is still working in 5 years.

BobArsecake wrote:Hmm, you don't need to be registered to view it anymore? 0_o

You only need to be a member to see the classifieds, the same as here (except the pub). You can view the normal forums without being a member. This is just a thread in the amp forum.

i have had my cyber twin since 06, and i bought it used, i think the production date was around 03 for it.
gigged it many a time, used it about 10 hours a week minimum for.... 3 years. besides replacing the tubes i have never had to do anything else.
there is a local guy that has one that is just as old, same deal pretty much,
rod has one, im not sure how old his is.
i rather like mine, but i prefer a simple amp, and seeing as how i programed one setting in and never changed it pretty much says that.

what the fuck is fender thinking?!
i think they should at least have the decency to CHANGE the name on that robot thing.
but yeah, so they don't have to pay for a new patent... *sigh*

Pat.

I'm afraid of buying anything I can't fix myself.

It really depends if the signal is affected by the digital crap. if you can bypass it all, that's an option, not a flaw

James wrote:

BobArsecake wrote:Hmm, you don't need to be registered to view it anymore? 0_o

You only need to be a member to see the classifieds, the same as here (except the pub). You can view the normal forums without being a member. This is just a thread in the amp forum.

Last time I tried to have a look at a link someone posted from their misc discussions section it was blocked I'm sure D:

robert(original) wrote:i have had my cyber twin since 06, and i bought it used, i think the production date was around 03 for it.
gigged it many a time, used it about 10 hours a week minimum for.... 3 years. besides replacing the tubes i have never had to do anything else.
there is a local guy that has one that is just as old, same deal pretty much,
rod has one, im not sure how old his is.
i rather like mine, but i prefer a simple amp, and seeing as how i programed one setting in and never changed it pretty much says that.

I got mine when they first came out because I thought it would be more reliable after my main tube amp craped out on me. One thing I liked about it straight off is it's light weight, loud as hell and no matter what happens in transport the knobs return to your settings.
I never used any of the effects and generally used an amp based off of a '55 champ with a touch of reverb.
The down side was the shitty Groove Tubes wnt microphonic almost immediately and every now and then the volume knob "adjusted" it's self for no apparent reason. The speakers are hard wired into the motherboard and the first week I had it I mounted two 1/4" jacks on it for an exterior cabinet, thus voiding the warranty.
All in all it's a decent sounding amp for what it is and I never had the expectation of it sounding like what it was supposed to model.

rodvonbon wrote:

robert(original) wrote:i have had my cyber twin since 06, and i bought it used, i think the production date was around 03 for it.
gigged it many a time, used it about 10 hours a week minimum for.... 3 years. besides replacing the tubes i have never had to do anything else.
there is a local guy that has one that is just as old, same deal pretty much,
rod has one, im not sure how old his is.
i rather like mine, but i prefer a simple amp, and seeing as how i programed one setting in and never changed it pretty much says that.

I got mine when they first came out because I thought it would be more reliable after my main tube amp craped out on me. One thing I liked about it straight off is it's light weight, loud as hell and no matter what happens in transport the knobs return to your settings.
I never used any of the effects and generally used an amp based off of a '55 champ with a touch of reverb.
The down side was the shitty Groove Tubes wnt microphonic almost immediately and every now and then the volume knob "adjusted" it's self for no apparent reason. The speakers are hard wired into the motherboard and the first week I had it I mounted two 1/4" jacks on it for an exterior cabinet, thus voiding the warranty.
All in all it's a decent sounding amp for what it is and I never had the expectation of it sounding like what it was supposed to model.

That and it has ROBOT KNOBS.

I was actually shocked the first time I saw a cyber twin, more amps need robot knobs.

offset wrote:The tolex is a different shade of black than the original

Fucking offset.