Les Ethics
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Auriemma
Its one thing to make and sell a copy that is close to the original as possible (my Bradley is one, and Agile is another), but to put the name "Gibson" on the top and try to pass it off as a Gibson, thats BULLSHIT! Thats dishonest. There is no moral high ground here. Yes, Gibsons are expensive, no doubt. But the quality workmanship and parts, arguably, makes them worth what they sell them for. But to slap the name "Gibson" on a piece of shit knock off, tell someone unknowing fool its authentic, and take his money for it, THATS JUST WRONG.
The real problem is not that I might make a fake "gibson" for my self. When I went to sell it I would tell the person it was a copy. But 2 or 3 users down the line someone is going to get ripped off. That's my only problem with it. I would do it in a second if I was in a tribute type band and needed a specific style guitar, but would be leary of ever selling it and someone later passing it off as fake.
They say great minds think alike....Sometimes we do too...
edit: re-read post, came off like a cunt, pay no heed.
Last edited by Reece on Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
i'm sure if you were really worried about it you could modify it to have no name on the stock and such.mickie08 wrote:The real problem is not that I might make a fake "gibson" for my self. When I went to sell it I would tell the person it was a copy. But 2 or 3 users down the line someone is going to get ripped off. That's my only problem with it. I would do it in a second if I was in a tribute type band and needed a specific style guitar, but would be leary of ever selling it and someone later passing it off as fake.
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Fran
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Gibson passing overpriced crap off as 'Gibson' is wrong too. But not by law so i suppose its fair game for them to rip people off? Im not bias here either, i've owned about 7 Gibsons and still love LP Juniors.Auriemma wrote:Its one thing to make and sell a copy that is close to the original as possible (my Bradley is one, and Agile is another), but to put the name "Gibson" on the top and try to pass it off as a Gibson, thats BULLSHIT! Thats dishonest. There is no moral high ground here. Yes, Gibsons are expensive, no doubt. But the quality workmanship and parts, arguably, makes them worth what they sell them for. But to slap the name "Gibson" on a piece of shit knock off, tell someone unknowing fool its authentic, and take his money for it, THATS JUST WRONG.
I agree its wrong that the unknowing fools suffer but that is the deceitful sellers fault, unfortunately there will always be both them people in the world in every industry.
Im sorry but i disagree they are worth what they sell for. There was an article in a Guitar Magazine were this guy wrote in complaining Gibson had out priced the average man and could not surely justify their prices, the editor replied something like "a Gibson guitar is a professional instrument with the capability to earn you a lot of money..". ROLF. What he meant was: "if i agree and slag Gibson off they will close my magazine down for slander because they are a huge company that control over one third of world guitar manufacture".
What percentage of guitarists make money from their instrument? 10% out of 100 maybe? and how many of them use a Gibson? 2% or is that a little ambitious? So statistically that editors statement is pretty much bullshit, more people earn money playing Squier guitars (i'll base that on local statistics i've seen with my own eyes). Truth is, the world caught up, Gibson as a name (not design, the designs will always matter) mattered in the early days but there is much more on offer now.
Let them have their niche market, selling to rich boys, snobby musicians (some thinking they have 'graduated' to a Gibson cuz they learnt some Jimmy Page lickz lolz) and unknowing fools that cant see past the holy decal, ending out paying ridiculous amounts of money for some rock n roll dream based on MTV nostalgia.
It's not an entire country's production dude. A lot of guitar manufacturers have factories in China that make some great LEGITIMATE gear. But factories that are willing to make "bootleg" guitars that try as hard as possible to look the part on the surface are not afraid to compromise a company's integrity, so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't care whether or not you have a well made guitar either.DGNR8 wrote:I would just love to get one apart and see what's in it. I can't categorically denounce an entire country's production quality. But they must be crap to be sold for so cheap.
If I ever get an LP it will be an old broke neck one.
Probably the the wildest weeked of the band's short-lived career, myself and the production staff freaked out when we saw how big of a stink it caused online, but were glad when it was over without Epiphone throwing anything at her or us...After threating the dealer of the POS with a direct report to Epi, we even got our money back, and handed the chump a bag of broken guitar parts...Man, I wish I had those pics, it had what looked like a masonite top or something on top of a mahogany slab.Nick wrote:The singer from Ultratwin's old band had a Chinese epiphone SG custom copy that basically just "fell apart" quite literally, under normal use. Gibson had to saw an epi version of the same guitar in half to put out the fire that started when she posted in their forums iirc.
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You guys might be interested that I recently found the .mov smash clip of the fakophone on our old G4, and I've just about finished editing it and will post it later. I mentioned waaaaay back how when it was over how there was much bitterness between Dorothy and Isaac, Jonathan, and I because of her extremely uncooperative behavior during the tail end of the promo period, but the smash vid is a good laugh that was a great way to cap things off. We've also since made up and I got to see her get married before heading back to Japan and literally start her life all over again. She still keeps in touch with Cindi fairly regularly, too.
TEH SMASH COMING SOON.