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Thomas wrote:The newer non-matching headstock ones are supposed to be limited to a certain # of each colour (in Europe anyway) Though I reckon that'll probably just be a way of saying "we'll see how they sell". NOne of the ones I've seen in shops over here have had matching headstocks, but that might've changed with more recent versions. It's hard to keep track of them all!

Mike I think you're becoming obsessed with the dots. The non binding ones are all over the shop too. Some are white and on the rosewood, black on the maple and I have one thats white and half on half off. The binding on the vintage is about 6mm and it's only 4.5 on the modern versions so the overall look is totally different.

I'm not obsessed, it's just not right. It is worth mentioning, this stuff is actually done deliberately by Fender, no Reissue can ever be confused with the original. They always leave indicators.

Gavin, the Classic Player jaguars are all Mexican made. You have played an MIM jaguar.

Well I'll be. The CPs came out while I was a way so they were completely new to me until Aen got one.

Mike wrote:the Classic Player jaguars are all Mexican made.

yeah, that's what i thought.


way to make the naming schemes all confusing and nonsensical, fender. for one thing, how is it a "classic" player if the bridge is tune-o-matic?

Gavin wrote:What? Is there?

Ah, right, it's 'cause I said made twice by accident.

The Classic Player series are made in Mexico. The B+B being discussed is made in Japan. It's about the same price as the Mascis Jazzmaster, which is also Japanese-made. Also, a couple hundred less than the Sonic Youth signatures. I wouldn't say it's not worth it, but I'd rather have a used AVRI.

"classic series" has always been what fender has called thier japan imports. the 90's mij mustang was in the classic series, the compstang RI classic series, and the 69RI classic series.

Wait, so this is sapposed to be a Japanese Jag? with a TOM and a relocated trem? http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product.asp?id=11460

purplehaze19x wrote:Wait, so this is sapposed to be a Japanese Jag? with a TOM and a relocated trem? http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product.asp?id=11460

Hmm, now I'm totally baffled. That isn't the same as what was posted in the topic, but that's a blocked and bound CP Jag??

robroe wrote:"classic series" has always been what fender has called thier japan imports. the 90's mij mustang was in the classic series, the compstang RI classic series, and the 69RI classic series.

so there's a "classic" series and "classic player" series?

BobArsecake wrote:

purplehaze19x wrote:Wait, so this is sapposed to be a Japanese Jag? with a TOM and a relocated trem? http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product.asp?id=11460

Hmm, now I'm totally baffled. That isn't the same as what was posted in the topic, but that's a blocked and bound CP Jag??

am more confussd.

BobArsecake wrote:Hmm, now I'm totally baffled. That isn't the same as what was posted in the topic, but that's a blocked and bound CP Jag??

Different fretboard specs entirely, vintage radius not 9'5".

The "Classic" series is more vintage correct in their features and is a mix of Mexican-made (Strats+Teles) and Japanese-made (Mustang).

The "Classic Player" series is supposed to be like a hot-rodded classic guitar. So, they've got a vintage look and some vintage features, but have common "upgrades" like larger frets and radii, 2-point trems on strats, locking vintage-style tuners on some, and other features. I believe all in this series, so far, have been Mexican-made.

So, the "Classic" : "Classic Player" :: "AVRI" : "AVRI Hot Rod"

The above-mentioned guitar interests me much more than the "Classic Player" Mexican-made models because of the non-jumbo frets and more vintage-correct radius more than the B+B. Now they just need to do them in cooler finishes.

Mike wrote:They look nice but they're just priced way high for a cosmetic difference.

+1

And no matching headstock.

Mike wrote:I'm not obsessed, it's just not right. It is worth mentioning, this stuff is actually done deliberately by Fender, no Reissue can ever be confused with the original. They always leave indicators.

Yeah I know, I was only messing for fun. Basically the only true Vintage aspect is the raduis. That seems to be the way Fender differentiates between current modern and "vintage" reissues.

stewart wrote:

BobArsecake wrote:

purplehaze19x wrote:Wait, so this is sapposed to be a Japanese Jag? with a TOM and a relocated trem? http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product.asp?id=11460

Hmm, now I'm totally baffled. That isn't the same as what was posted in the topic, but that's a blocked and bound CP Jag??

am more confussd.

Aye, it's all over the fucking place. So there's two '66s? One Japanese and one Mexican, they are both identical to MIJ and MIM/CP instruments except for blocks and the MIJ has matching headstock?

Still it looks cool as fok tho' and i shall be adding a Jag to my xmas list which will shortly be presented to Mrs Ploppy.
That said, i think i've more chance of crapping in the Queen's handbag than getting one xmas morn!

BacchusPaul wrote:

stewart wrote:

BobArsecake wrote: Hmm, now I'm totally baffled. That isn't the same as what was posted in the topic, but that's a blocked and bound CP Jag??

am more confussd.

Aye, it's all over the fucking place. So there's two '66s? One Japanese and one Mexican, they are both identical to MIJ and MIM/CP instruments except for blocks and the MIJ has matching headstock?

This is getting really confusing. That one properly looks like a CP with a diffrent neck, so MIM. But the one quoted above is clearly a CIJ.

WTF.

As said above:

Classic series - reissues of classic guitars with features and specs from an era
Classic Player - modern riffs on classic guitars - start with a Classic (Blackguard Tele -> Baja, Jaguar -> CP Jaguar) and add modern features like hotter pickups and flatter radii etc.

Okay, that CP looking one (blocks but with relocated trem) has a 7.24" radius neck? I just converted 184 mm to inches and that's what I've got.

That would be more in line with the MIJ.

I suspect that photo is dodgy. I suspect someone put it together before actual guitars were shipped or photographed, and that phoney photo is just well circulated.

Who knows?

EDIT: Also, I've never heard Jaguar pickups described as soapbars, as in that description. That whole page looks like it's been put together by some work experience boy with no real knowledge or exposure to Jaguars and Jazzmasters.

Does anyone know if those big blocks without matching headstock are MIJ or MIM? I assumed that they were MIJ made for export guitars, but I just phoned a local music shop and they said they were MIM? Although the guy could be wrong. He said he would go check but I think he just asked someone else in the shop.

The way it used to be was this:

FENDER JAPAN

Normal '62 Re-Issue (Even though for some reason it's been relabelled '66).

Normal '62 with Humbuckers, TOM and different radius to match the TOM.

Same as above but with neck binding to give it a Kurt Cobain vibe.

The Kurt Cobain Model, which is the same as above but with an extra volume control.

The big block, binding and matching headstock, which is the same as the '62 apart from the cosmetic differences and has F tuners as well.

FENDER AMERICA

The Originals

The AVRIs

FENDER MEXICO

Nothing until recently when they started making the Classic Player Jags.

Difficult to say.

Blocks on neck and the neck radius suggest Japanese (Mexican Jaguars have a flatter board) as does the name (Japanese '66s have started appearing on ebay).

Location of trem in that photo suggests Mexican (closer to bridge).