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Mages · Post by **Mages** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:42 am

ah you mean parallel floating. I've never tried that with a vintage style bridge. I had one of those wilkinson ones for a while but I didn't really like it. I got rid of it and went back to the vintage style.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:51 am

What did you not like about the Wilkinson? I've never played one, but I have notions about a CV 50's strat and a VS100CV. I really like the look of them, and I just like Trevor Wilkinson's stuff in general.

Did you not have any problems going back to the vintage? Surely the posts for the Wilkinson would have to be removed leaving holes in the guitar that would make installing the necessary screws for the vintage trem impossible? Did you not bother with the Wilkinson posts or something?

Mages · Post by **Mages** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:10 am

I filled the holes with widdled down pine dowels and re-drilled for the screws.

I think I didn't like it because it was just too much. It's smoother operating and has a greater range of motion. There's more room for error when setting it up. I found the stiff, rudimentary vintage trem to be a lot more comforting.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:13 am

One of the things I like about it is that everything can be adjusted and locked down, and all with the same allen key. I'm surprised to hear the action was different on it. I'd have thought they'd be roughly the same.

Well there you go.

Mages · Post by **Mages** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:35 am

I dunno, it seemed that way. It might have just been how I had it set up.

the saddles are a neat design but they just struck me as awkward in some ways. you gotta remember to unlock the saddle first before you try to adjust the height or you'll end up stripping the screw. and it's hard to do any adjustments with the string tuned to pitch because the string tension will hold the saddle in place or possibly move it forward (when you unlock it).

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:18 pm

Interesting. I can't imagine any of those things because I've no intimate knowledge of the bridge, but that sounds like a pain in the ass.

What great bridges are there though, that aren't a pain in the ass sometimes?

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:30 pm

BacchusPaul wrote:
What great bridges are there though, that aren't a pain in the ass sometimes?

Stop and TOM. Set it and forget it.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:43 pm

I meant tremolo systems.

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:25 pm

jag trem is the simplest trem system i've come across.

ekwatts · Post by **ekwatts** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:57 pm

In that respect, my Batwing has an extremely good trem system as instead of resting against two posts, the lip of the bridge just rests inside a strip of metal with a groove along the edge, meaning it has only one point of contact with the body instead of the two you have with the screw systems. When it's set up well, I can go pretty crazy with the trem and it remains in tune better than any other guitar I've owned, so that must be it. Good explanation, Paul.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:03 pm

Interesting. I've always thought the best trem system would have a single post in the middle. Also: it'd be impossible to set up, which is something all trem lovers look for.

Could you post pics? I assume there is some way of raising the height of the bar. Is there screws at either end or something?

ekwatts · Post by **ekwatts** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:45 pm

BacchusPaul wrote:Interesting. I've always thought the best trem system would have a single post in the middle. Also: it'd be impossible to set up, which is something all trem lovers look for.

Could you post pics? I assume there is some way of raising the height of the bar. Is there screws at either end or something?

The piece the trem rests on is just screwed in with three screws, and has a V groove, and the edge of the trem just rest in it, relying on the springs and strings to keep it on the guitar.

Like this: term -> bar.

This means that, as the trem isn't really attached to the guitar itself, you can do some madcrazy divebombs 'n' shit.

Might be able to take some pictures tomorrow.

ekwatts · Post by **ekwatts** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:49 pm

You can just about see it on the bottom picture of the green batwing on this page:

http://www.burnsguitars.com/batwing.php

Bizarrely, I haven't really found this bridge used again, and most pictures of Batwings on the net are of the older strat-style that was found on their earlier Club Series Bisons and Marquees. Even the pictures of other Batwings on that page don't feature the fulcrum trem on mine and in the pic of the green one.

ekwatts · Post by **ekwatts** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:50 pm

Here's another pic:

markleton · Post by **markleton** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:32 pm

ekwatts wrote:You can just about see it on the bottom picture of the green batwing on this page:

http://www.burnsguitars.com/batwing.php

Bizarrely, I haven't really found this bridge used again, and most pictures of Batwings on the net are of the older strat-style that was found on their earlier Club Series Bisons and Marquees. Even the pictures of other Batwings on that page don't feature the fulcrum trem on mine and in the pic of the green one.

I had a Hagstrom f200p with the same style of bridge. It was super stable too and very light feeling.

Mages · Post by **Mages** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:34 pm

hmmm, veddy intelesting. I wonder who makes those bridges.

.....wilkinson??

ekwatts · Post by **ekwatts** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:13 am

mage wrote:hmmm, veddy intelesting. I wonder who makes those bridges.

.....wilkinson??

Not sure, I know for a fact that Wilkinson took over Burns hardware duties just after the Batwings debuted, but mine appears to have missed the whole deal, because my tuners are your average Burns-branded cheapalikes, so the bridge must be Burns stock, too, not Wilkinson.

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:54 pm

good news, after waiting to buy my strings for a few days now, after i changed the saddles loosened the truss rod and let it sit for a couple days.
i strung it up with 13-56 wound g. strings d'addario strings too.
it's a rocker shortscale, i brought this fucker back from the dead with your help
thanks.

ekwatts · Post by **ekwatts** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:12 am

Josh wrote:good news, after waiting to buy my strings for a few days now, after i changed the saddles loosened the truss rod and let it sit for a couple days.
i strung it up with 13-56 wound g. strings d'addario strings too.
it's a rocker shortscale, i brought this fucker back from the dead with your help
thanks.

Wtf, those are crazy thick strings. That's thicker than I ever went.

Mages · Post by **Mages** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:14 am

I know right, god damn. it's probably loud as hell with those strings though.