Best way to acheive 'Punk' sondz?

[James]

Based on the few posts you mention I'm guessing by punk you mean the mid 90s American stuff like the bands you mentioned. Epitaph during the early punk-o-rama years and that sort of thing. There's obviously a massive range, and getting a DK guitar sound isn't a thing like getting a modern hardcore punk one.

Fletcher Dragg from Pennywise uses (or at least used when they were still any good) an Ibanez RG into a Mesa type amp with a fairly mid scooped, trebly sound. Loads of palm muting and some accurate picking technique. Most of the songs are relatively simple for the left hand but as Fran said it can be difficult for your right. All of the dynamics and movement come from the right hand.

Plam muting lets you add some bass back in to an otherwise thin sound. And you can make a lot of the difference between doing all down strokes and not. When I used to play pretty much nothing but this style (still as a noob so I wasn't too much into being very accurate with the tones) I found that I had two picking positions. One that let me palm mute. so with the bit of my palm nearest the wrist that was comfortable I would strum plam muted quite near teh bridge. You'll see a lot of this era punk guys doing that in videos. And then the other position was a little further up and gave that extra sustain.

If you have the stock pickups in your Jagmaster, I'd say putting something like a JB in the bridge position will put you a lot closer to the sound you want. Definitely stick with the 'classics' pickup wise. I'd go for JB, Duncan Distortion, Super Distortion or similar.

[hotrodperlmutter]

Fletcher Dragg from Pennywise uses (or at least used when they were still any good) an Ibanez RG

yeah, some kinda custom job or something. shit's huge.

i only found this pic, not for the guitar i was talking about, but for the lulz:



1) not plugged in.
2) amp's not even on.
3) broked strang
4) leopard futon?

[hotrodperlmutter]

Due to his large frame (6'5", and at least 300 lbs) Fletcher plays a 1 and 1/4 size RG420 guitar, custom built for him by Ibanez.

[Josh]

just use me jaguar, any old amp, and a big muff.
i dial perfect punk tones.

[Mustang Melx]

You sold the ultimate Punk guitar in that Epi LP Junior with the P90. Johnny Thunders would never forgive you.

I see Punk as split into two groups; old school and second wave, they are both different too. Old School bands like The Clash, The Adverts, NYDs, Ramones, Pistols are not as heavy sounding as second wave Punk. Stuff like Discharge, GBH, Exploited and US hardcore was more or less the beginning of Thrash Metal.

Post an video of your sound.

True there isn't really a 'punk' guitar sound, the whole point in the early days was to use whatever you had (or could borrow/steal!) and just plug into the amp and turn it up... Joe Strummer used a telecaster and imo you can use anything. If you want that modern chunky mesa US sound that everyone uses nowadays that's a totally different story I suppose. If I dime my Laney's drive on channel 2 I can get something like it though with a humbucker.

[Freddy V-C]

The best way I've found for getting this chunky, high-gain sound without resorting to a Metal Zone is running a mild overdrive with tone and gain on full into a fuzz. To get it perfect I roll the overdrive's volume back to 0 and then turn it up very slowly until it sounds to my liking.

[hotrodperlmutter]

The best way I've found for getting this chunky, high-gain sound without resorting to a Metal Zone is running a mild overdrive with tone and gain on full into a fuzz. To get it perfect I roll the overdrive's volume back to 0 and then turn it up very slowly until it sounds to my liking.

will try this freddy, thanks.

[Jahsoul]

Devi Ever Torn's Peaker.

[kim]

some of these too




and knowing there's many 'sorts' of punk, i will try to act as if there's no bands calling themselves punk and using 6000eur mesas, so just any amp with mids and treble boosted, or all knobs just at maximum, maximum gain and some random dirt box to put some gain on top of the gain.
guitar and amp don't matter, if you really want to sound like another band just copy their gear as much as you can and be another uninspired musician with no balls to create your own sound.

[hotrodperlmutter]

if you really want to sound like another band just copy their gear as much as you can and be another uninspired musician with no balls to create your own sound.

quite gash of you.

as noted, i don't want to buy any gear if i don't have to. i want to use what i have, and if that doesn't work, then i guess i just get as close as i can.

[Mages]

nothing wrong with trying to learn someone else's sound. it's a lot easier to create your own sound if you know what others have already done than flailing around in the dark trying to do something original. I can respect a "shutup and play" attitude, but um... knowledge is power?

[Reece]

you find your sound by hearing other sounds and trying to emulate, and somewhere in there you start to realise what you like and don't like.

you don't learn to speak by making sounds until you stumble across a language. you learn by copying, then understanding. you need to know the rules before you can start breaking them.

[robroe]

1990's robroe setup

pennywise = jagstang + cougar1000 at 10-0-7
nofx = jagstang + cougar1000 at 10-0-7
bad religion = jagstang + cougar1000 at 10-0-7
so on and so on


both pickups on, or one on, or the other on, it don't fucking matter as long as they weren't both off, and you dial the mid all the way down, turn the bass up all the way to get the floor vibrating when you palm mute, and dial the trebble back a little bit because for fuck sake it sounds like piss on 10

[kim]

punk should sound like piss.



anyway, sorry if you feel offended but i don't think you do, who gives a fuck about some member on a board being straightforward about something, it's just my opinion not an order.

music around you inspires you, indeed, you learn from it, but not by copying, by your own interpretation. maybe i feel so strongly about this because it frustrates me around here most of the bands who get the most support are copies of copies of copies and people seem to love it but it's not honest music, pretty boring, so 'different' bands get very little support and end up not being able to combine making a living and making music they love.

[stewart]

you find your sound by hearing other sounds and trying to emulate, and somewhere in there you start to realise what you like and don't like.

you don't learn to speak by making sounds until you stumble across a language. you learn by copying, then understanding. you need to know the rules before you can start breaking them.

i reckon that all depends how far along you are when you start making music... if you're 14 and picking up an instrument for the first time, i can see this logic applying. if you're in your 20s or later, and you have a pretty well developed grasp of what your own taste is already, i think you can cut straight to the chase.

also, if you're trying to emulate a recorded guitar sound... well, it's been recorded on who-knows-what equipment, tweaked by lord-knows-what in post production... and someone's live sound; again, at extremely high volume, through a PA, etc...

[Dave]

I'm with B_Paul here in that its not really a studied thing ya know. Plug in, get yourself in a hyper mood, or a hyper aggressive mood. Get some grrrr in your tone with whatever you have to hand - the less gear involved the better (Link Wray poked holes in his peakers to create fuzztones yo). Play brash and without care for exactitute. That is kinda punk more than a set of specifci dialed tones to me.... although of course there is big difference between the punk spirit and what is accepted as a defined musical genre with various standard signifiers...

EDIT: not to say there isn't value in emulating other people to find out how they do what they do of course. I'm a sap for Albini fanboiisms but I don't take that and recreate him per se.

[robroe]

punk should sound like piss.



anyway, sorry if you feel offended but i don't think you do, who gives a fuck about some member on a board being straightforward about something, it's just my opinion not an order.

music around you inspires you, indeed, you learn from it, but not by copying, by your own interpretation. maybe i feel so strongly about this because it frustrates me around here most of the bands who get the most support are copies of copies of copies and people seem to love it but it's not honest music, pretty boring, so 'different' bands get very little support and end up not being able to combine making a living and making music they love.

if what you are saying is true all i would ever play is covers of Rainbow and Sabbath. that would be rad! for about a week, then it would suck.

[kim]

i never claimed to be the all-knowing, this is a forum, i post opinions not orders

[Jahsoul]

Just to reiterate: Devi Ever Torn's Speaker. All the models are sold out I think, but you can build one with a kit she provides. She gives you the circuit, you get the pots, jacks, and switch(es). Worth it! You'll have that sound you're looking for outta anything.

[James]

The type of punk he's talking about doesn't sound a thing like torn speakers (assuming that's what the pedal sounds like).