current conundrum, reverb pedals

[ac88]

i'm gay but would still buy dano because some of their stuff is cool
don't give a crap

Why is Danelectro a homophobe company?

[avj]

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It sounds like you just need to go out and demo a bunch of reverb pedals. Everyone has their own idea of what a good reverb pedal is -- it's the EHX Holy Grail Plus for me -- and if you're truly as picky as you say, trusting someone else's ears isn't going to work well.

2-300 for a boutique reverb pedal seems way overkill.

mickie, the Vanamps Sole-Mate is a little more expensive because it's an actual spring reverb. Other than the Dano Spring King, everything else mentioned so far is a digital reverb. This doesn't necessarily mean anything as far as sound quality, of course. I've heard plenty of hideous spring reverbs on amplifiers, and I've heard quite a few amazing digital reverb pedals.

I was going to look at the chicklet but i heard it has a "click" issue when stomped upon.

I haven't heard this, but if you really like the sound of it and really does have a switch issue, you can always put together (or buy) a true bypass loop pedal and throw it in there.

Oh I know that it is sprng, but before I spent 300 on a reverb pedal, I would perosnally just sell my amp to a version that has decent reverb. Of course I am usually a fender amp man so there are always supers, twins, showmans, etc with reverb to pick up and the reverb on them sounds better than any reverb pedal that I have ever played. For 300 I would be pretty close to what I could pick up a whole amp for out here in SO Cal (350-500 for silverfaces) Again, to each their own.

Totally agree with all that. I'm a huge fan of the silverfaces as well, and my main amp is a '73 Vibrosonic Reverb that was had for a great price some years ago. I love the reverb on it, and had only picked up a Holy Grail Plus from craigslist while awaiting shipment a replacement tank. The HGP is really fun though, and I'm glad I picked it up.

Also, there's no volume drop in the HGP. It's probably also fixed now on the new XO Holy Grail.

[Haze]

I hear lots of good things about the Hardwire RV-7, Haze seems to like it an awful lot.

Good Lexicon reverbs. Cheap, good buffer or true bypass, excellent build quality, extremely versatile, studio quality reverbs, leaves the dry signal intact.
Give it a shot! The Hardwire and the Pitchblack remain the only two pedals that haven't left my pedalboard.

[laterallateral]

I've been doing a little research on Reverb pedals recently and knowing that I don't want a million sounds or anything fancy think I would/will go for the Boss FRV-1 when I get my hands on James' Bassman.
I hear lots of good things about the Hardwire RV-7, Haze seems to like it an awful lot.

Did I ever get back to you about my FRV-1, Thom?
I suppose that by now, you've probably made up your own mind, though.



Anyway, I ended up A/B'ing it with the verb on the 1972 Super Reverb. Defeated the built-in effect in the amp and engaged the FRV-1 and vice versa, same channel. Sofar as comparisons go, decay tops off earlier and the attack is quicker on the FRV-1. I guess that's to be expected from a digital effect, though.
The SR is a bit more drastic but the tone of the effects can be made to sound very similar, thanks to the FRV-1's EQ function.

I still don't miss my Holy Grail+

[kim]

thom you're buying james' bassman ? i didn't know

such a cool amp

you have too many cool amps !

Hehe yes - have lusted after it since Doogfest II! Should be picking it up next month - am excite!
Think, and this is only a *think* at the moment, but I might get rid of my Marshall and am in process of getting rid of the Blackstar which would leave me with just the Bassman and Princeton Reverb

argh my jealousy cannot be put into words! lucky !

[Thom]

Did I ever get back to you about my FRV-1, Thom?
I suppose that by now, you've probably made up your own mind, though.

Anyway, I ended up A/B'ing it with the verb on the 1972 Super Reverb. Defeated the built-in effect in the amp and engaged the FRV-1 and vice versa, same channel. Sofar as comparisons go, decay tops off earlier and the attack is quicker on the FRV-1. I guess that's to be expected from a digital effect, though.
The SR is a bit more drastic but the tone of the effects can be made to sound very similar, thanks to the FRV-1's EQ function.

I still don't miss my Holy Grail+

You didn't! But thanks for that! Certainly cements my idea that it's what I will likely go for.

EH reverbs sound good on bassman heads, just don't go for a regular holy grail as there is an inherent volume drop you will definitely notice when it's engaged.

Thanks for the recommenation, I will definitely check one out.

[Mages]

if you are really picky about reverb you should probably look at rackmount units.

[James]

What do you mean by compression? Are you talking about dynamics? Digital artifacts? Also, 'suck tone' doesn't really mean a lot. I'm guessing you mean loss of dynamics mostly by losing some treble?

Thom - I have a Hardwire RV-7, you can give it a go when you collect the bassman.

[Nick]

i'm gay but would still buy dano because some of their stuff is cool
don't give a crap

Why is Danelectro a homophobe company?

Their CEO donated $10,000 to proposition 8.

Also Kim, I don't know what Belgian marriage laws are but if Danelectro did something that helped prevent gay marriage in your country would you feel any different?

[goldengurls]

What do you mean by compression? Are you talking about dynamics? Digital artifacts? Also, 'suck tone' doesn't really mean a lot. I'm guessing you mean loss of dynamics mostly by losing some treble?

Thom - I have a Hardwire RV-7, you can give it a go when you collect the bassman.

Did I use the term "suck tone"? I don't think I did, when I say something about compression I am talking about losing dynamics, that is what compression does on recordings. It's generally used on cymbals, you can hear it on every record up until about 2000 really clearly. Also, when I speak of compression in regards to guitar it's a loss of definition and almost a tin/robotic sort of thing certain pedals do to your sound. I hear it on all kinds of pedals and suprisingly not on some others, again this is an issue that I am concerned with and not everyone even notices.

[Haze]

I'd hate to have your ears. Thats all I have to say about that.

[goldengurls]

I'd hate to have your ears. Thats all I have to say about that.

I hear you there
it sort of sucks the tone right out life sometimes

[Mages]

the tin/robotic thing is almost certainly low sample rate digital audio, not compression. though I suppose it could be digital compression but I find it highly unlikely that your reverb pedal is converting your guitar signal to MP3. most digital reverb pedals probably only use something like 11 to 22 kHz sample rate. that's why I'm saying if you really want a Hi-Fi reverb you gotta look at rack units.

[Will]

The Dano Spring King is digital, just like all the other small pedals.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say any analog spring reverb pedal will kill some treble - it's the nature of the beast. Compare the reverb and non-reverb channels on a Twin or Deluxe sometime. The far more important point is "who cares?" Zillions of fantastic tones have been crafted with "tone-sucking" gear. Buy what works well, plug it in, and get on with your life. If you're looking for personal fulfillment, go to church or volunteer. Finding the perfect reverb pedal isn't going to make you feel any better about your life.

Get the Lanilei if you insist on analog. Get digital if you want to save money - both the RV-7 and Chicklet are good.

all of the dano guitars I have had sucked.

Fighting words. My four old and new Danos could not disagree more.

[Mages]

the RV-7 is just a spiffed up DigiTech DigiDelay BTW. which is a great pedal.

the thing I sometimes worry about with digital reverb is if the wet/dry mix part is analog. as long as your guitar signal is being maintained analog and the digitally delayed signal is the only thing being handled digitally I don't think it's that bad. I'm still not sure which (if any) digital reverb pedals do this or which digitize your whole signal. but if the reverb unit you're using doesn't do this you can always set the reverb to 100% wet and create an effects loop with a mixer of some sort.

[ultratwin]

I've got an RV-7 and Little Lanilei, and I'm somewhat okay with both. [/grits teeth]

The RV-7 has a fantastic spring reverb setting, and I think they did well working with studio champs Lexicon on this one, as did Soundcraft in the '90s when developing some excellent home mixers (albeit occasionally unreliable otherwise). The RV-7 is on the other edge of the spectrum compared to the Cathedral samples I've heard, each program setting being quite tame/subtle in nature. Great for ambiance and "just enough" and in that respect the tones are natural and lush. Get one.

The Little Lanilei is weird. Needs a little booster prior to it, and I'm not talking about a quality buffer. It's normal for me plop a booster at the end of my signal chain to hit the amp, be it Aen's Plane Ticket (edge and grit) or Moollon Signal Boost (fat push), so having one or the other on a light setting before the Little Lanilei makes the thing usable, and quite good for that matter. That being said, if you run it straight w/o boost your sound is pure weak-tone frustration, and turning the gain knob barely up to what I'd deem "unity gain" makes it instead enter honky tone zone. I'll do a demo eventually, but Tris really needs to either iron out the kinks in this thing or just make amps.

[Thom]

Thom - I have a Hardwire RV-7, you can give it a go when you collect the bassman.

Nice one, cheers.

[kim]

i'm gay but would still buy dano because some of their stuff is cool
don't give a crap

Why is Danelectro a homophobe company?

Their CEO donated $10,000 to proposition 8.

Also Kim, I don't know what Belgian marriage laws are but if Danelectro did something that helped prevent gay marriage in your country would you feel any different?

i'm not a fan of marriage anyway only if it gives you financial benefits or for adoption but yes i do think marriage should be an option for everyone not just straight couples, it's discrimination, if they would prevent gay marriage i my country i would think my country is really stupid to let danelectro have a say in laws nomatter how much money they have. i don't own any danelectro products but if that spring king is is really good, i wouldn't give a crap and buy it yes. i guess that makes me a hypocrite but i would be a hypocrite with a cool reverb sound.

[goldengurls]

the tin/robotic thing is almost certainly low sample rate digital audio, not compression. though I suppose it could be digital compression but I find it highly unlikely that your reverb pedal is converting your guitar signal to MP3. most digital reverb pedals probably only use something like 11 to 22 kHz sample rate. that's why I'm saying if you really want a Hi-Fi reverb you gotta look at rack units.

maybe your right, it's true compression is just a blanket term i tend to use for lack of quality and definition in sound.
I don't think I will be getting a rack unit, the more I have bitched and moaned about this the more apparent it is that I will have to go for the gold and get a vanamps reverbamate in surf green to chill with the 66 duo sonic I am buying today and run them through the 66 tremolux with much glee and pleasantry.

[hotrodperlmutter]

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