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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:42 am
by 24HRS2MDNT
"Fucker" custom logo FTW, otherwise "Tony's"
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:51 am
by Doug
robroe wrote:how many more years is it until squier is vintage? they came out in 84' so like 2014 ?
I'm not an expert on this but what I've seen is some vintage collectors & brokers set 25 years old as the vintage mark, but it seems most hold out for 30. Then I see the loose cannons on Ebay who label a 1989 manufacture as "vintage".
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:17 am
by Phil O'Keefe
Doug wrote:robroe wrote:how many more years is it until squier is vintage? they came out in 84' so like 2014 ?
I'm not an expert on this but what I've seen is some vintage collectors & brokers set 25 years old as the vintage mark, but it seems most hold out for 30. Then I see the loose cannons on Ebay who label a 1989 manufacture as "vintage".
And really... what does "vintage" mean anyway?
On the short side, it's usually suggested that 20 years old is the cutoff... but more commonly, I hear 25 mentioned. I hardly ever hear 30, but I guess that's as valid as the others. If you take 25 as the cutoff, then anything made in Fullerton - and ALL of the CBS (and of course, the Leo era) stuff is now "vintage". People definitely seem to think of 70s era Fenders as "vintage" these days, and yet when I was a teenager (in the 70s), they were just run of the mill, or even considered somewhat substandard compared to the 50s / 60s era stuff - especially the "pre-BS" stuff. Starcasters were a total joke back then... and used ones in the 80s wouldn't sell for more than $200-300... but now, because of Jonny Greenwood, they're cool and in demand and fetching $5K. Sorry, "vintage" or not, I still think they suck.
Some things, even if they're 30 or 40 years old, they're just...
old.
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:54 pm
by plopswagon
Phil O'Keefe wrote:And really... what does "vintage" mean anyway?
something to do with wine I believe.
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:03 pm
by jumbledupthinking
This shit reminds me of a phase in the the late 80s / early 90s of people writing the word "AIR" onto their Nikes in biro.
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:51 pm
by Doug
Anyone know for sure the "official" relationship of Squier to Fender?
Is Squier a line of Fender guitars? Is Squier owned by Fender, or perhaps independently owned but licensed by Fender?
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:05 pm
by hotrodperlmutter
squier is owned by fender.
Fender, under the ownership of CBS, acquired the Squier brand name in 1965 when it bought a USA based string making firm, but it lay dormant for many years [1]. Before the Fender Squier series were introduced in 1982, Fender was making lower priced guitars such as the Fender Lead series at their Fullerton California plant. Until the introduction of the Fender Squier series, Fender had never produced lower priced guitars based on their main Stratocaster and Telecaster designs and had always used different model designs for their lower priced guitars.
In the late 1970s and early 1980s Fender was facing competition from lower priced Japanese made guitars. The lower priced Fender guitars were made in America and could not compete with the lower prices of Japanese made Fender copies. In the early 1980s, Japanese labor and production costs were much lower than in America and to compete with the Japanese made guitars, Fender moved the lower priced Fender guitar production from America to Japan...
Fender were also losing sales in Japan to Japanese guitar brands such as Tōkai, Greco and Fernandes, and the establishment of Fender Japan would benefit Fender sales in Japan as well as overseas. Fender began negotiations with several Japanese musical instrument distributors and reached an agreement with Yamano Gakki and Kanda Shokai to establish Fender Japan. Yamano Gakki are also known for once being part of Epiphone Japan. Kanda Shokai own the Greco brand name and one of the conditions of the Fender Japan agreement was that Kanda Shokai cease production of its own Greco Fender copies.
This arrangement benefited Fender because it removed the Greco Fender copies from the Japanese market which were selling in Japan at much lower prices than the American made Fenders and it also benefited Kanda Shokai because Kanda Shokai could then distribute Japanese made Fender branded guitars in Japan. Further negotiations between Fender and Japanese guitar factories were done. Tokai was seriously considered to start building the first Japanese made Fenders but after a breakdown in negotiations, FujiGen Gakki was chosen instead [2].
The first Squier series was launched on July/August 1982 and over time the Squier series has slowly evolved to include original model designs and production has moved from Japan to various other Asian countries such as Korea and China.