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jcyphe wrote:
Try and buy a Duesenberg, pre-war Bugatti, or Ferrari that was raced and tell me they're not astronomical in price.

True enough my friend.

Tear down the old I say... RARAARA

Cars are also constantly improving. Some people will say that nothing roars like a 60s muscle car or whatever else, but there's no doubt that the technology is getting better all the time. When you buy a vintage car you're making a known compromise to take classic features over modern convenience.

Guitar technology, for the most part, has barely moved since the stuff that now costs crazy money was made. As Jycphe said there's also minimal maintenance.

There really is no comparison between the two markets.

The fact is that when it comes to this sort of thing the value is what the market will bear, or in the case of very rare itens sometimes what someone is willing to pay for it. What it cost when it was new has as much relevance as what whoever made it had for breakfast the day after it was finished.

The Hendrix plectrum art piece can be said to be worth $23,000 because that's what someone paid for it. If next time it sells it sells for $10,000, then it's worth $10k, $110k and it's worth $110k. To some extent it's arbitrary, but how else are you to describe it?

This conversation is making me really wish Mike would buy a '66 E-Type Jag to drive around London in.

the point is though that the car market was booming in the 80s. antique automobiles were selling for crazy prices. not even especially desirable cars like sports cars and stuff either but just regular ford's and things were selling for very high prices. it's now calmed down to much more sane prices. all these antique markets do the same thing. they go up and down.

when the value of something is so blown out of proportion that their value no longer has any basis in reality (1959 les paul anyone?) that is what's called a bubble. bubbles pop.

Lucamo wrote:Are these real prices?!

Or inflated LA bullshit rich prices?

Frankly , I'm not sure LA folks would pay that either .

Lucamo wrote:I think a 1 in 100 car is more special then a guitar...

Like I love guitars, but all the peices that go into a form a running sports car, or even saloon is far surpassed in quality. Those guitars too have legends around race wins, movies, celebrities who drove them. If they don't double or triple in valuefrom their original price then how do guitars.

I think vintage guitars are dumb.
The only ones I probably care enough to buy are 70s guitars bencause there not 10 grand yet, or a shortscale from the 50s... Because you can get them for 2 or 3 grand max.

While I respect your views up to a point, you're awful close-minded for a younger fellow. I agree that lots of vintage gear is silly expensive, but don't paint 'em all with the same brush. If you're a player who is into budget instruments because of financial constraints, that's cool. Just don't hate folks who appreciate history and can afford to pay to play.

I gave up vintage cars for vintage guitars because the dollar per smile ratio is so much higher with the guitars. The cars were too much work and worry.

desertan wrote:

Lucamo wrote:I think a 1 in 100 car is more special then a guitar...

Like I love guitars, but all the peices that go into a form a running sports car, or even saloon is far surpassed in quality. Those guitars too have legends around race wins, movies, celebrities who drove them. If they don't double or triple in valuefrom their original price then how do guitars.

I think vintage guitars are dumb.
The only ones I probably care enough to buy are 70s guitars bencause there not 10 grand yet, or a shortscale from the 50s... Because you can get them for 2 or 3 grand max.

While I respect your views up to a point, you're awful close-minded for a younger fellow. I agree that lots of vintage gear is silly expensive, but don't paint 'em all with the same brush. If you're a player who is into budget instruments because of financial constraints, that's cool. Just don't hate folks who appreciate history and can afford to pay to play.

I gave up vintage cars for vintage guitars because the dollar per smile ratio is so much higher with the guitars. The cars were too much work and worry.

No no I don't hate vintage guitars nor their players...

Unless were talking 100k plus pre-cbs strat ors 58 LPs.

I think vintage is rad, I just need to stick to cheap vintage... 70s fenders and so on.

Vintage guitars...this shit.

The guitar in general. It's a good looking piece of wood with pickups. The equipment won't give you the magic. Yes, it can alter your sound but in the end, it's the hands. It's the same with hip hop. Some guys are buying EMU SP1200 machines for like 2 Grand because some producer name dropped it. True, i want to use it and fuck around with it, but if you don't have a good ear for melody. That equipment will do fuck all for you. I might drop 900 on one of them vintage machines soon, and that's cause of its sound, but if i wasn't confident or didn't know what i really wanted. I wouldn't fuck with it. It isn't a name or a vintage thing. Its what the machine does and what you bring to it. Most just get the machine part.

Yeah, so there are lots of views. Younger players here would rather play than collect, it seems; I do both and try to keep an open mind.

If a vintage guitar is just a piece of wood, then history is just words in a book, until you visit Appomattox or Eastern Europe and try to comprehend what happened there. I remember visiting the Fender site in Fullerton and the first time I saw the Rickenbacker museum. Boggled my mind!

desertan wrote:Yeah, so there are lots of views. Younger players here would rather play than collect, it seems; I do both and try to keep an open mind.

If a vintage guitar is just a piece of wood, then history is just words in a book, until you visit Appomattox or Eastern Europe and try to comprehend what happened there. I remember visiting the Fender site in Fullerton and the first time I saw the Rickenbacker museum. Boggled my mind!

Every value is what you put on it. In my opinion, i think the player had more to do with any sort of important music event or piece then the guitar did. I'm not saying i'd never own a vintage instrument. Hell, i'd dig the hell out of an old Rickenbacker Bass. I just think all of it is overvalued. There is no doubt in my mind that it is just a piece of wood with electronics. A personal piece of wood, an aesthetic piece of wood, a history changing piece of wood, but a piece of wood regardless.

desertan wrote:Yeah, so there are lots of views. Younger players here would rather play than collect, it seems; I do both and try to keep an open mind.

If a vintage guitar is just a piece of wood, then history is just words in a book, until you visit Appomattox or Eastern Europe and try to comprehend what happened there. I remember visiting the Fender site in Fullerton and the first time I saw the Rickenbacker museum. Boggled my mind!

I see what you're saying, but I just had to try real hard not to express some faux outrage at the possible comparison historically between Buchenwald and Fullerton.

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