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To me, Fender are more a working mans guitar. Even down to the construction, they are maintainable and handle knocks way more than Gibson. But Gibson designs create a great sound.

I find it funny, almost elitist that Gibson is USA built only. Like its a badge of quality when it is'nt. The best guitars i have owned have been Japanese built, made in the USA, pre-cbs or whatever means nothing to me other than higher value in an ebay flip.

Agreed. I shelled out £875 on a LP Standard+ (and though it's reallly, realllllly nice to play), the Benecolcaster or my own telecaster build feel just as at home and just as playable as the Les Paul that costs probably 4-5x the amount. I can move around the neck as well, I "dig in" just as nicely and it isn't any more fatiguing to play a cheaper built guitar. Infact, as soon as I hammer out the little tweeks in my telecaster build I would probably prefer it over the nearly £900 guitar that I bought, though they are different beasties. Further more, when I look back, I feel very silly for spending that much on one guitar, just because the amount of guitars that I've played since then that I should have spend the money on have slipped through my grasp. What makes it worse: Is that I can't flip at original price it because the neck has been broken 4 times now and I would feel the resale price is now about £300 at best. At best.

Though, the "Woman Tone" that Mahogany built fat ass guitars (Gibsons especially, IMHO) is completely undoable with any other guitar style and I'm not a "widdly-widdly" guitarist but it does sound.... Awe inspiring and really amazing for lots of useful things.

Basically tl;dr: I begrudgingly sit on the fence.

All of that said...

I think any one of us would own this in a heartbeat if we could...



or better yet:



Fuck is that pretty...

*Wipes vomit off chin..*

Lol, almost forgot... I loooooooooove ugly shit.

I love Les Pauls. It was the second guitar I ever had, the first guitar I had that wasn't a Hello Kitty guitar, and I was very fond of my Epi LP Standard. I think everyone loves a good Les Paul, even if they'd never buy one.

Now I hate SGs because I hate symmetric bodies, pointy shit, and neck dive. And I think their basses are beyond terrible. They usually have one good idea and about ten things that make them bad.

Melody Maker, now there's a guitar I love. It's the reason why I have a MM knockoff.

every time you snake that hello kitty guitar into a serious conversation, i LOL IRL.

i don't like gibsons because of the frailty issue, but my melody maker had a great neck, and a single coil (which got quite chimey in the old bridge position), but the variances in neck sizes piss me off.

i don't want to feel like i'm playing an acoustic when i pickup my electrics. i don't want to have to fight it so hard.

Dropped my tele a few feet onto its headstock, finish is fucked but the neck is solid. I seriously doubt a set neck gibson would have finished practice that night.

I like that Jimi Hendrix guitar they made,that was awesome.

I'm not sure if the neck design is the same, but my Epi Wildkat is an absolute tank. It's been dropped, thrown, stepped on and all manner of abuse and not had a single problem with the neck. I can, however, tell you that if you punch the F hole you end up with just a hole.

Dumbss put the bridge pickup backwards.

robrtnickerson wrote:I'm not sure if the neck design is the same, but my Epi Wildkat is an absolute tank. It's been dropped, thrown, stepped on and all manner of abuse and not had a single problem with the neck. I can, however, tell you that if you punch the F hole you end up with just a hole.

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Ankhanu wrote:

robrtnickerson wrote:I'm not sure if the neck design is the same, but my Epi Wildkat is an absolute tank. It's been dropped, thrown, stepped on and all manner of abuse and not had a single problem with the neck. I can, however, tell you that if you punch the F hole you end up with just a hole.

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Dew an want!

For me the biggest thing is their quality control, the huge variances in quality control, and the fact that everything below the studio series you're paying for the name. I've only ever played maybe one or two faded series, or melody makers that have felt or played nice at all. For the price though they still just don't seem to be worth it. The fact that I have played one or two that have felt nice though is the biggest reason I rag on their quality control, because one or two slipped through and wound up really nice, and every single other one that I've ever played has felt like total crap. I don't even mean to only rag on the low end models, because I have played quite a few LP standards which cost $1,900+ that have felt and sounded like dog shit. The worst one I've ever seen, the whole fretboard seemed to be off by about an 1/8" from the rest of the neck, so the binding was hanging off the top side by about an 1/8" and on the bottom side there was about 1/8" of the wood showing past the binding. It was so obviously horrible that I can't believe it slipped past their inspectors, and then beyond that, that Guitar Center actually had the nerve to hang it on their wall instead of returning it to Gibson! For a guitar that costs more than $1900, something like that absolutely should never be a problem.

Fender just seems to be the better bet all around for price, quality and reliability. That being said, I have a Gibson SG standard and it is one of my favorite guitars. I love it, but I got a really good deal on a used one, and it's one of the nicer feeling ones that I've played. I've played a bunch of other SG standards at the store that I haven't cared for at all.

Forgot to include Epiphone since they're Gibson, too.

When I was trying out guitars last week, I played an Epi LP Standard and actually liked it. It didn't weigh a ton and sounded good, but I'd want one in blue. I was curious to try an LP after seeing the Les Paul doc, which was really good, btw. Cool story, huh?

note the wood screw holding the Bigsbang wang bar on.

plaidbeer wrote:Forgot to include Epiphone since they're Gibson, too.

When I was trying out guitars last week, I played an Epi LP Standard and actually liked it. It didn't weigh a ton and sounded good, but I'd want one in blue. I was curious to try an LP after seeing the Les Paul doc, which was really good, btw. Cool story, huh?

Epiphone is a slightly different story.
Their QC is still wildly irregular, but, the price point is pretty manageable, most of the time. They do put out some quality instrument, for sure. I'd probably buy Epi over Gibson; when you get a decent Epi, there's not a lot of difference between it and an alright Gibson, for $1-2k less

Some of the Epiphone models outright own Gibsons.

Another thing that I just thought of that I didn't mention before is that Epiphones quality control seems to be more consistent than Gibson's these days. Like I said in my last post, I've seen such huge variances in quality even on the same models from gibson. But Epiphone seems to be really consistent. A G400 feels and sounds like every other G400 out there. Same goes for all of the LP's I've played. The only time I've really noticed bad quality control from epiphone is in their entry level beginner guitars like the Jr. series and the G310. Every other epiphone I've ever played has felt pretty nice. The guitar player in one of my old bands had an Epiphone LP standard that he put Gibson Burstbucker pickups and grover tuners in, and it sounded and held in tune better than his Gibson LP doublecut with the same pickups and cost 3 times as much.

endsjustifymeans wrote:All of that said...

I think any one of us would own this in a heartbeat if we could...

Agreed, i think the trem arms look really add, but the old one i tried had it removed with the holes covered in a whopping sticker, and a wraparound bridge fitted.Played like a dream.