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cur wrote:without he hand hole, I could be down with it. I do want a superstrat for my collection. Might as well go all out and get one that is right out in the open. But then again, I am through being cool.

I'd rock this if it didn't have a floyd trem, but I guess it wouldn't be a "super" strat then huh?

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For the life of me I cannot understand the opposition to Floyd Rose trems. They're incredible works of engineering and give you range and stability that other trems can only dream of. They can be used for everything from light shimmers to squealies and after initial setup, are not much higher maintenance than a Strat trem and certainly stay in tune better. And a floating Floyd Rose is easy to manipulate without an arm for that little bit of warble.

honeyiscool wrote:For the life of me I cannot understand the opposition to Floyd Rose trems. They're incredible works of engineering and give you range and stability that other trems can only dream of. They can be used for everything from light shimmers to squealies and after initial setup, are not much higher maintenance than a Strat trem and certainly stay in tune better. And a floating Floyd Rose is easy to manipulate without an arm for that little bit of warble.

i think it's primarily aesthetics and negative connotations (from wankers)

I have no interest in the full range of a Floyd... the shimmer that my Jag trem gives me is perfect for my needs.
Set up is finicky, I don't like locking nuts, tuning is annoying as each string heavily influences the tuning of the others... stack on that the fact that they look very ugly; no thanks

Set up involves tuning over and over again and then adjusting the springs to get it to where you want it to be. Hmm, sounds a lot like a Strat trem.

You don't have to lock the nut if you don't want to. It will still stay in tune, just it won't let you have the extreme range anymore.

Tuning is heavily affected by other strings, sure. But not more so than Strat trems.

I'd be less baffled if a Floyd wasn't just ultimately a Strat trem on steroids. But plenty of people love Strats and then bash Floyd Rose trems when I think the FR is a far superior take on the Strat idea.

honeyiscool wrote:Set up involves tuning over and over again and then adjusting the springs to get it to where you want it to be. Hmm, sounds a lot like a Strat trem.

You don't have to lock the nut if you don't want to. It will still stay in tune, just it won't let you have the extreme range anymore.

Tuning is heavily affected by other strings, sure. But not more so than Strat trems.

I'd be less baffled if a Floyd wasn't just ultimately a Strat trem on steroids. But plenty of people love Strats and then bash Floyd Rose trems when I think the FR is a far superior take on the Strat idea.

I dislike Strat trems too
Really, until I got my Jaguar, I had a strong distaste for every other tremolo system I'd used.

That said, I really have a hankering for a Strat these past couple months. I'll probably get an Aerodyne to round out my family at some point.

The range and flexibility of a floyd is offset completely by the event of a string snapping. A string snapping on any guitar in the middle of a show is fairly devastating but it's absolute sudden death if it's the only guitar you took with you. Quite simply, they're a massive pain in the arse for what is a payoff only a few guitarists are ever really going to use to any great degree anyway. Tuning stability can be great but it can be equally as good on a strat-style trem if you have it set up well and all the various bits in contact with the strings lubricated properly. If you're reaching for a floyd because your strat is going out of tune then get the damn thing set up right. Also, strat trems tend not to have bits that fall off and get lost.

Strats don't do divebombs, especially when they're not being played by twats.

A floating Strat trem completely dies if you have a string snap, too. A flushed Strat trem not so much, but a flushed Floyd acts similarly (see: EVH). That's all I'm saying, the only real problem with a Floyd is that you need a cutter and a wrench to change a string, although given that most breaks on a Floyd happen at the saddle, you can just unwrap a bit of string off the tuners and clamp it down and you don't even need new strings. The rest of the things people say about it, I feel like the downsides are not much different from a Strat trem. The only real downside is that it's so stable that it allows you to use your trem in an extreme fashion, but like people's aversion to 7-strings and HSH configs (and believe me, I was there), I don't think it's fair to hate on the tools of the trade, you should hate the people who make tasteless mess out of them. And you know what else, every single person you hate who uses a Floyd, you'd hate without a Floyd, too. So why hate?

A whammy system that can make strings so slack that they feel like spaghetti and then return them perfectly to their original pitch is a good thing. And come to think of it, a Mustang or a Jaguar go out of tune when a string snaps, too. If you are a trem user, you need backup guitars, this is just a fact of life, I think.

Ankhanu wrote:I have no interest in the full range of a Floyd... the shimmer that my Jag trem gives me is perfect for my needs.
Set up is finicky, I don't like locking nuts, tuning is annoying as each string heavily influences the tuning of the others... stack on that the fact that they look very ugly; no thanks

word.

there was nothing wrong with the bigsby. I fucking love bigsbys, they do everything I need and I love the looks of them.

If you're in a pinch and need to change a string on a normal strat trem, it's a matter of a minute or two tops. With a Floyd you absolutely NEED a backup guitar.

I don't like them because they usually mean 0 body vibration and they take forever to set up. I'm not hating on them because of who plays them, I'm hating on them because I used to own them and it was more of a chore than playing guitar should have been.

Ibanez guitars don't feel like musical instruments. They feel more like downhill skis with bindings on them. Like you want to set a couple down on the shop floor and jam your boots down into them.

Don't get me started on the time I used two 335s to snowshoe around Edmonton.

honeyisright

honeyiscool wrote:A floating Strat trem completely dies if you have a string snap, too. A flushed Strat trem not so much, but a flushed Floyd acts similarly (see: EVH). That's all I'm saying, the only real problem with a Floyd is that you need a cutter and a wrench to change a string, although given that most breaks on a Floyd happen at the saddle, you can just unwrap a bit of string off the tuners and clamp it down and you don't even need new strings. The rest of the things people say about it, I feel like the downsides are not much different from a Strat trem. The only real downside is that it's so stable that it allows you to use your trem in an extreme fashion, but like people's aversion to 7-strings and HSH configs (and believe me, I was there), I don't think it's fair to hate on the tools of the trade, you should hate the people who make tasteless mess out of them. And you know what else, every single person you hate who uses a Floyd, you'd hate without a Floyd, too. So why hate?

A whammy system that can make strings so slack that they feel like spaghetti and then return them perfectly to their original pitch is a good thing. And come to think of it, a Mustang or a Jaguar go out of tune when a string snaps, too. If you are a trem user, you need backup guitars, this is just a fact of life, I think.

I think cheap, knock off pot metal floating trems on budget instruments are what gives double locking trems a bad rep

Playability aside (which I know will be amazing), all the guitars in this thread look absolutely horrendous.

JJLipton wrote:I think cheap, knock off pot metal floating trems on budget instruments are what gives double locking trems a bad rep

That's a big part of it, yeah.

rps-10 wrote:OP forgot this one from the original years (well 2nd year, 1988 ) ...





The Humbuckers on the original JEMs were DiMarzio PAF Pros so I wouldn't say they were RED HAWT

Lose the pink plastic, and I could really get on with that.

Oh, Floyds have NOTHING on a Kahler. Period.

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I was going to jump in on this thread to defend Floyd Roses, but honeyiscool has that more than covered.

Basically, what he said.

So, basically if you also don't like Strat trems, there's no argument to be made for Floyd Roses? Cool.