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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:08 pm
by westtexasred
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:21 pm
by robert(original)
good observation..... i didn't even notice all the differences at first.....
perhaps..... huh.
this opens up a new kind of shit storm full of shit hawks ricky.
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:59 pm
by Phil O'Keefe
Pens wrote:The angle of the pickup seems...excessively tilted to me.
It also seems a but further "forward" (towards the neck) than Fender typically mounts their bridge pickups.
I am curious as to what the serial number on the plate would come back with, though.
It doesn't.
If you take the "A" off, it's a '54 serial number, not a '56. To the best of my knowledge, the A prefix was only used on Telecasters with the S/N stamped into the bridge. There were some odd things with S/N's in the 50s. Some had a "-" in front of them, others were double-stamped (flip it over, and there's a different S/N on the back), or stamped at the "bottom" of the plate... but I've never seen one quite like that. If it was a normal '56 serial number, it should be in the 9000 to 16000 range.
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:46 am
by MattK
Doesn't look like a Fender pickup to me. And the knobs are non-Fender. My guess is that somebody decided to homebrew a Musiclander from a 50s Duo they had lying around.
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:38 am
by robroe
if the pickguard was OG then why does the body have 2 pickguard screw holes next to each other right over the neck socket?
L┘L
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:19 am
by dots
i didn't even see the swimming pool route when i first read the thread. i wanna say fuck this guitar, but something tells me there's more mojo in it. maybe i just want there to be.
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:42 am
by robroe
NO
IF YOUR GUITAR HAS DOUBLE PICKGUARD SCREW HOLES FUCK IT. ITS NOT NEEDED. MAKE ANOTHER 5 DOLLAR PIECE OF PLASTIC BEFORE YOU DRILL INTO WOOD FUCK UPS
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:46 pm
by stewart
it could well be a 1956 body and neck, but they're from a duo-sonic or musicmaster, and they've been hacked up.
fuck this guy. 100% fake.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:32 pm
by jculpjr
Here's another one that popped up- no "musiclander" on the headstock
Ebay
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:38 pm
by iCEByTes
jculpjr wrote:Here's another one that popped up- no "musiclander" on the headstock
Ebay
OWWW
sexy sexy
Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:28 am
by Phil O'Keefe
jculpjr wrote:Here's another one that popped up- no "musiclander" on the headstock
Ebay
That's a real one. A lot of Swingers are missing the model name headstock decal. That's not at all unusual.
Have they really gone up that much in price, or is that seller on drugs?
Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:30 am
by James
Phil O'Keefe wrote:Have they really gone up that much in price, or is that seller on drugs?
On drugs. And his drugs are on drugs.
Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:20 pm
by murdok
totally fake. no way anyone was making that wacky headstock in 1956. it was cut down from a CBS shape headstock
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:13 am
by Phil O'Keefe
James wrote:Phil O'Keefe wrote:Have they really gone up that much in price, or is that seller on drugs?
On drugs. And his drugs are on drugs.
That's what I figured.
Thanks James.
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:53 pm
by westtexasred
murdok wrote:totally fake. no way anyone was making that wacky headstock in 1956. it was cut down from a CBS shape headstock
A CBS headstock on a 22.5" scale neck?
Same seller?
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:13 am
by Doug
This one might be correct...if so, the seller knows what he's doin
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Fender-Swi ... 0694357858
Cheers,
Re: Same seller?
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:14 am
by NickS
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:42 am
by kypdurron
I re-read the chapter about the Swinger in "fender: The Golden Age". The guy who built these things was in the factory since 1953, but wasn't in the position to develop anything before 1964 or so. Freddie Tavares, the man who developed the Strat and Jazzmaster, states that he didn't know about the Swinger when it was made and first heard about it in1978 or so.
You might think that it would be impossible in 1956, for Mr. Tavares, to not know of an existing prototype. At that time Fender R&D was mainly Mr. Fender and Mr. Tavares. So the history book tells. Fender first needed to become a much larger company for things like this to happen I would guess.
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:58 pm
by jagsonic
the only thing that could be is a late-60ies guitar with old spare 56 guitarparts on it. Ever noticed he wrote about a duosonic control plate? But in 56 no fender guitar had this type of control plate. It first apears on the jaguars, mustangs and duosonic IIs in the early 60ies...
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:28 pm
by plopswagon
I think it's a fake too. The seller looks like he knows his stuff but it there's too many red flags on this. One not mentioned is the scratch plate. I would guess that it would be one of the aluminum ones used on the Musicmaster, Dou-Sonic and Jazzmaster (as well as some Strats and P-Basses) of that era (or at least white or tort, I don't think mother of toilet seat showed up until the Mustang)
