Thinking of trading my Classic 30, for Tiny Terror with cab

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:19 pm

I may have cloth ears but i dont entirely agree the TT is shite with pedals. A lot of that depends on what volume and gain setting the Amp is on. Because the gain also works as volume clean head room is limited, as you would expect.

At home on low levels most pedals sound good (to me), in fact, i think it takes Delays before the pre amp better than my Marshall JCM 2000 did. At gig levels cranked up i agree it is limited with pedal use.

ekwatts · Post by **ekwatts** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:48 pm

If you're playing through a rockin' Orange head, what sort of pedals are you expecting it to take "well" anyway? You get a Tiny Terror because you're going to be tearing the arse off things, not playing wanky fuckspank Coldplay shite or trying to nail that live dubstep sound with your complete collection of Moogerfoogers.

Which is sort of the point. Keep the Classic, still buy the TT. Different sounds for different occasions. Make the space.

othomas2 · Post by **othomas2** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:23 pm

That's it... gonna keep the Classic for sure. When's it's cranked it's even more immense !!

If anything I'll get something more home friendly as well... however cheap, as I'm skint !!! or save somehow...

When the amp was down with valve issues I was playing all my effects thorough this, and was as content as ever...

You still have your C30 Ekwatts ?

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:34 pm

ekwatts wrote:If you're playing through a rockin' Orange head, what sort of pedals are you expecting it to take "well" anyway?

This is a fair point and the point.

If you want a blank canvas you can pick up Line 6 Spider amps for very little and they will take ANYTHING well. Ask Hurb (the owner of 146 pedals).

Post by **Hurb** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:43 pm

Fran wrote:
ekwatts wrote:If you're playing through a rockin' Orange head, what sort of pedals are you expecting it to take "well" anyway?
This is a fair point and the point.

If you want a blank canvas you can pick up Line 6 Spider amps for very little and they will take ANYTHING well. Ask Hurb (the owner of 146 pedals).

Haha true enough. Although I would like something better looking for the living room one day.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:51 pm

Hurb wrote:
Fran wrote:
ekwatts wrote:If you're playing through a rockin' Orange head, what sort of pedals are you expecting it to take "well" anyway?
This is a fair point and the point.

If you want a blank canvas you can pick up Line 6 Spider amps for very little and they will take ANYTHING well. Ask Hurb (the owner of 146 pedals).
Haha true enough. Although I would like something better looking for the living room one day.

I trust Owen is of the same aesthetic persuasion...

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:08 pm

Who has a toaster in their living room?

ekwatts · Post by **ekwatts** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:39 am

Yeah I still have my Classic, as well as my White amp and the accompanying 2x12 cab. It takes up a bollock-load of space but I normally leave the cab in a practice space anyway.

Post by **Mike** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:57 am

othomas2 wrote:Ok thanks matey !!

Hows about the Night Train 15 then ? ... another option I had.

same shit different size

Just say with your amp.

benecol · Post by **benecol** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:39 am

With your amp.

johnnyseven · Post by **johnnyseven** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:40 am

That's typing, not saying. Unless you said it as you typed it.

Post by **Mike** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:28 pm

I wouldn't use something like a Klon with an EL84 amp anyway, at least for dirt

Klon = mid honk
EL84 = mid honk

That's like honk squared. too much fucking honk.

Benmurray85 · Post by **Benmurray85** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:32 pm

Mike wrote:That's like honk squared. too much fucking honk.

omfg i loll'd

Post by **Doog** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:37 pm

avj · Post by **avj** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:53 pm

I don't know how this myth about Orange amps and dirt pedals continues to perpetuate itself. I own an AD30HTC and it's fabulous with all the same pedals I used for years with my Vibrosonic Reverb.

It must've been the ubiquity of the TT that started this nonsense. Nearly every time I read a complaint about Orange amps and pedals it's been about the TT. I haven't played one, but is it super-hot-loaded in the preamp stage or something?

Concretebadger · Post by **Concretebadger** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:14 pm

avj wrote:I don't know how this myth about Orange amps and dirt pedals continues to perpetuate itself. I own an AD30HTC and it's fabulous with all the same pedals I used for years with my Vibrosonic Reverb.

It must've been the ubiquity of the TT that started this nonsense. Nearly every time I read a complaint about Orange amps and pedals it's been about the TT. I haven't played one, but is it super-hot-loaded in the preamp stage or something?

Yeah. I'd like some clarification on what 'takes pedals well/badly' usually means. To me, it means that the eq stack doesn't accentuate or filter out certain frequencies that make, say, distortion pedals honky or fizzy or modulation pedals muddy or shrill. As far as gain is concerned, as long as it has a clean/low gain channel, most dirt boxes should be fine, surely? Even the best-sounding OD or fuzz is going to sound like a bucket full of mud when run into the distortion channel.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:34 pm

avj wrote: is it super-hot-loaded in the preamp stage or something?

Not particularly.
Even fully cranked it only goes as far as a Classic Rock kind of distortion.

Like i said, at low volume/gain i think its fine with pedals. If you can keep the gain control at 9 o clock it stays clean on full volume but you lose some volume doing that. The gain seems to increase the volume so once you start changing that your dirt pedals are going on top of the Amps dirt and it all becomes too high gain. Its ideal for a Clean Boost or TS type pedal but anything else seems too much.
Not had any problems with Delay, Wah, Chorus etc

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:36 pm

Concretebadger wrote:As far as gain is concerned, as long as it has a clean/low gain channel, most dirt boxes should be fine, surely? Even the best-sounding OD or fuzz is going to sound like a bucket full of mud when run into the distortion channel.

Its a one channel Amp and yes, what you just said.

avj · Post by **avj** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:50 pm

Thanks for the insight, Fran; that's what I expected to hear. A buddy has the Jim Root Terror (it's way better than one would expect, seriously), and I gave him loan of an EHX LPB-1 while we were in Bright Nights. Between using that and a volume pedal, he was able to get an impressive range of sounds.

Also -- well-said, Concretebadger.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:00 pm

Yeah the LPB-1 is great with the TT already cooking, it takes you into Sabbath territory, riffs sound huge and notes are defined.
Overdrives give that needed boost for early Metal/Thrash sounds.