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If it's a newer Japanese Fender (post mid 2000s), go for that. If it's from the 90s or before, or if it's an actual mid to late 70s vintage Fender Mustang, I'd pick a Squier over that any day. I love me a Squier or two, but the thing is, new Fender Mustangs (esp. the 65 RI) are no ordinary guitars. They are simply extraordinary in every way except maybe the pickups, although the '65 RIs have great sounding pickups. My Japanese '73 RI is my favorite guitar by a mile.

ekwatts wrote:What you said is demonstrably false. Many, many guitarists will disagree with you.

and many, many will agree, too. that's the thing about opinions -- everyone's entitled, and nobody's more right than the other.



that's also enough of the needless name-calling, especially in the info forums. thanks.

Viljami wrote:A good Squier is better than a bad Fender.

This.
Simply put, but true.

They do have a slightly different feel and the pups can sometimes be inferior, depends on model and personal taste.
I've got 3 Fenders and 3 Squiers at the moment, very little separates them. Besides that, Squier are doing what Fender once set out to do: making affordable quality guitars that are easily serviceable. Ideal for the 'working musician'. That'll do me nicely and is the reason i've used Squier in my last two bands.

lolno.

There's nothing wrong with opinions. It's not really an opinion if you say something like "Squiers are starter guitars" because that's fairly obviously not applicable to the majority of the range. Unless we're talking straight price points here, but then that would raise questions as to what to make of the cheaper end of the Fender line where the prices cross over with the Squier range. Sure, sure, I understand that perceptions differ, but in my defense this isn't the Fender forum, nor is it Offset. I rest my case.

ekwatts wrote:It's not really an opinion if you say something like "Squiers are starter guitars" because that's fairly obviously not applicable to the majority of the range.

Its not applicable at all really, its just a naive opinionated view that you expect from an inexperienced guitar player. For that, it can be excused.

gusman2x wrote:Which classic vide tele have you got Dave? I like the look of the CV custom with the rosewood board and the binding. I played a 50 CV tele, and wasn't so impressed.

The J Mascis JM is made in China > is pretty much a CV Jazzmaster, or a modern player. It's a trmendous guitar, and is genuinely a better instrument to the VM Jag I have.

I gig the JMJM, but would have no quams about gigging the VM Jag either.

I dunno! Its sunburst with binding and rosewood! I'd probably prefer a chunkier neck but my comments on build quality stand

Some Fenders are made in the same factory as Squiers nowadays, so all the general comparisons are thrown well out the window.

In the shop I see folk often spend £100 more on a Fender decal. Even though I make them aware of this... (not good salesman tactics lol) ... they're often left saying, "but I want a 'Fender'"

*sigh.... ok

squier has nobody to blame/thank for their reputation but squier. and like it or not, opinions do vary widely as much as the quality of their builds have. we can point out that fender has had its historical (and even ongoing) bouts with poor production all day long. . . so what? squier's own literature mentions they are built and priced for beginners and also good enough for "working musicians" so. . . everyone's wrong?

point being, he's not a cockend for having an opinion that cuts against the royalty of shortscale's elite, especially considering squier themselves market specifically to beginning musicians.

I am pretty elite.

Dave wrote:The Classic Vibe line models I've tried have all felt EASILY as well made as real fenders. The CV Tele i got of George feels like a million dollars. it looks stunning, the build quality and finish is immaculate, the neck feels like a proper fender with rolled edges and lovely gloss tint...really really fucking good.

This^ still don't rate the electronics but for a little time and a fraction of the price of a Fender you can upgrade and have a GREAT guitar.

dots wrote:squier has nobody to blame/thank for their reputation but squier. and like it or not, opinions do vary widely as much as the quality of their builds have. we can point out that fender has had its historical (and even ongoing) bouts with poor production all day long. . . so what? squier's own literature mentions they are built and priced for beginners and also good enough for "working musicians" so. . . everyone's wrong?

point being, he's not a cockend for having an opinion that cuts against the royalty of shortscale's elite, especially considering squier themselves market specifically to beginning musicians.

Aye, like the original Fender Musicmaster/Duo Sonic and Gibson Les Paul Junior were marketed as 'student' models. None of us would be seen dead with any of them coz they are for 'beginners'

Is there anyone that can tell me the measures of neck/fret/radius/nut of both Squier Duo Sonic and Squier Mustang?

I dont understand me being the bad guy in this now.
I own 2 Squiers that i moded.
Played alot of guitars under 12 years.

Ekwatts you crazy man. Dont go and blame me for my opinion.

And Fran im not a unexperienced guitarist.

But this is shortscale. Starting to get a bitter taste.

Whats wrong with saying a cheap Squier guitar can be good for a beginner?

Squier CV Duo Sonic:
neck 24" / frets: medium jumbo / radius 9,5" / nut width 1,625" (41,2 mm)

Squier VM Mustang:
neck 24" / frets: medium jumbo / radius 9,5" / nut width 1,650" (42 mm)

C'mon guys! Don't quarrel! I think that there are some Squier series as reliable as some Fender Mexico and very affordable for the quality and price; I didn't want to start a quarrel...

jagsonic wrote:Squier CV Duo Sonic:
neck 24" / frets: medium jumbo / radius 9,5" / nut width 1,625" (41,2 mm)

Squier VM Mustang:
neck 24" / frets: medium jumbo / radius 9,5" / nut width 1,650" (42 mm)

And what are the measures of a '90-2000 mustang?

I love both - fender and squier.

I think japanese mustangs have this measures:
neck 24" / frets: vintage / radius 7,25" / nut width ???

jagsonic wrote:I love both - fender and squier.

I think japanese mustangs have this measures:
neck 24" / frets: vintage / radius 7,25" / nut width ???

Thank you jagsonic! I'm thinking of buying a Squier Stang if the neck is so similar to the DS one (except for the nut). Besides, many of you said the Squier pups sounds better (a peculiar feature for some Duncan Design pups)

squier makes just as many shitty guitar models as they used to, but now they also make some quality instruments that rival (and sometimes beat) the lower tiers of fender products. i hope no one actually believes the squier strat included in those $250 strat packs anymore than they believe there's a real difference between the fender and squier jags made in the same mexican factories. my son has the CV duo i got a few years back, and it's a great guitar.