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50 watt valve amp would make a great starter amp.

ekwatts wrote:Also,

gusman2x wrote:The JMJM is made in China, and is shockingly good, but I don't know if it's a fair assumption that these will be just as good.

Why the fuck not?

Well, looks like they'll be streeting for £100 less than the JMJM, hence the thought. And when I was asking about China, it was in relation to either Indonesia or India. At present, I think the Chinese Squiers have the best rep.

ekwatts wrote:50 watt valve amp would make a great starter amp.

she'll be using my bassman which is my bedroom amp so that bit is covered

BTW, I will SOOO be getting the Jag if they'll do the interest free credit on one!

Fran wrote:

Gomer wrote:given their near-total resemblance to their Fender counterparts, why would you spend more on a Fender? two reasons, I suppose:

1. logo
2. ethical objection to labour conditions under which the Squier was made

i can't think of any other commercial product line that does this. if you want a BMW, you must get a BMW. there is no alternate clone at a discount and certainly not one that has the official sanction of BMW.

Part of me wishes Squier would stick to its own line of Fender-y guitars. Jagmaster, Cyclone, etc. even drop the teles and strats, although that would bankrupt them, I guess. also, the companies are veering toward each other price-wise. Blacktop Fenders and Classic Vibe Squiers are within shouting distance of each other.

i wonder how/if they collaborate on business planning.

I think you have to be naive to get hung up on the logo and its a bit late for ethical objection. Most peoples homes are already filled with imported goods made in questionable conditions like this Dell Laptop im typing on for instance.

That aside, i think Fenders logic is for these to be gateway models. Today a Squier, tomorrow a Fender. In the past when a Squier model has had a negative effect on existing Fender models they stop its production.

Youre exactly right Fran! What company would sell the real deal for cheap?
If anyone here has a company or stuff like that would sell really good made guitars for as cheap as squiers let me know. The company is going to get bank rubbed. Have you seen the factory for squier made guitars and seen the real fender factory? There you know why. I dont gonna say the squier is crap, you take it and modd the hell out of it, then you get real quality, but the quality parts are not cheap. But for beginners a squier is the thing to buy, just to see how it is to play a guitar.

Gomer wrote:given their near-total resemblance to their Fender counterparts, why would you spend more on a Fender?

To get the vintage-spec fingerboard radius and fret size, like the original Jaguar/Jazzmaster/Mustang guitars or the Japanese/AV reissues of them. I'd swap the neck on one of these Jazzmasters for my 70s RI Strat neck the first day I got it home.

Mike wrote:

Phil O'Keefe wrote:I've got my eye on the Surf Green Jaguar and Sonic Blue Mustang.

The biggest downside to the Mustang that I can see isn't the slab body - I actually slightly prefer that. Rather, IMHO, it's the Jag / Jazz style saddles. IMO, Mustang saddles are much better, but the old ones and the MIJ Mustang saddles won't work with the Squier's 9.5" fingerboard radius.

I predict a run on blue Loctite world-wide.

Warmoth will sell a truckload of their modified Mustang bridge.


Shame they're so spendy.

This one?



Looks like a good option, but as you said, that's a lot for a Mustang bridge!

paul_ wrote:

Gomer wrote:given their near-total resemblance to their Fender counterparts, why would you spend more on a Fender?

To get the vintage-spec fingerboard radius and fret size, like the original Jaguar/Jazzmaster/Mustang guitars or the Japanese/AV reissues of them. I'd swap the neck on one of these Jazzmasters for my 70s RI Strat neck the first day I got it home.

I'm going to try to get along with the 9.5" radius. I learned on a MIM strat so it shouldn't be that big of a deal for me personally.

Still torn between JM and Jag but thinking to give the Jag another go.

paul_ wrote:

Gomer wrote:given their near-total resemblance to their Fender counterparts, why would you spend more on a Fender?

To get the vintage-spec fingerboard radius and fret size, like the original Jaguar/Jazzmaster/Mustang guitars or the Japanese/AV reissues of them. I'd swap the neck on one of these Jazzmasters for my 70s RI Strat neck the first day I got it home.

Trying to be fair here - there are other differences as well. The quality of the wood and hardware used on Fender stuff tends to be better, and Fender bodies are typically two or three piece, as opposed to the six pieces of lower quality wood that are used on the typical Squier. The pickups and electronics on USA stuff is typically noticeably better than even most of the MIJ stuff - compared to the Indonesian, MIC and Indian built stuff, there's no comparison. Fit & finish, overall quality control and resale value all tend to be better on USA models too. You also get a case with most USA built models at no extra cost.

I'm a big fan of the tremendous value of some of the Squier guitars... but IMHO, if someone is expecting these to be every bit as good as the US models, I think they're either deluding themselves, or have unfair expectations.

I may be the only one, but owning an AVRI felt strange to me... a little too fancy. As if I had suddenly upgraded from a solid Toyota to a posh BMW and was uncomfortable with such a flashy vehicle. Hard to describe this feeling. Anyway, that's one reason why I'm particularly excited to check out the Squiers.

That said, I have no problem with going vintage if I can afford it. I guess because they feel more like muscle cars.

just transferring info here from OSG cause you oughta know:

some dude at OSG wrote:just heard back from my inside man this morning. he said the official release date has been pushed back because of some problem at the factory and they don't want to get backed up with a backordered product like the mascis jazzmaster,,,he said theres' been a crazy amount of hype for these and that people have bombarded fender's corporate office with emails and phone calls ever since the fender rep leaked the pictures here,,,he said the leak almost blew up in fender's face because of all the inquiries, dozens every single day,,,but the good news is that they are still supposed to be out in july, with the announcement coming before namm.

Yet somehow they have made it to a few Sam Ash stores already. They are $299. They are made in Indonesia. Just like I thought

Someone posted this pic up at the land of the amber switch tip:

Might be the lighting, but the jag looks much darker than I'd anticipated it being. Am switching allegiance on an almost daily basis between this & the sonic blue jazzmaster. If only I could justify buying both (well....I can, but I think my other half may have more difficulty!)

An exciting development for sure.

so they are Indonesian like the other VMs. They look pretty sweet still and at that price a perfect modding platform

lorez wrote:so they are Indonesian like the other VMs. They look pretty sweet still and at that price a perfect modding platform

Don't think I'll mod the JM I'm planning on getting - apart from the guard and maybe the pickups

Noisy Cat wrote:

lorez wrote:so they are Indonesian like the other VMs. They look pretty sweet still and at that price a perfect modding platform

Don't think I'll mod the JM I'm planning on getting - apart from the guard and maybe the pickups

see you've started planning your mods already

What is the general finish on the VMs like? That thick horrible poly like they use on the affinities ??

Hope not.

Think I've narrowed it down to a Jag now.. never had one and it has lots of switches and stuff. I like switches they distract from being able to play.
Colour, not sure yet probably sunburst, but hate the tort guard on sunburst. White or surf green no red.

mind likely to change at any time.

Going to be loading up ebay on Sunday, ready for when they hit these shores.

Fran wrote:

Gomer wrote:given their near-total resemblance to their Fender counterparts, why would you spend more on a Fender? two reasons, I suppose:

1. logo
2. ethical objection to labour conditions under which the Squier was made

i can't think of any other commercial product line that does this. if you want a BMW, you must get a BMW. there is no alternate clone at a discount and certainly not one that has the official sanction of BMW.

Part of me wishes Squier would stick to its own line of Fender-y guitars. Jagmaster, Cyclone, etc. even drop the teles and strats, although that would bankrupt them, I guess. also, the companies are veering toward each other price-wise. Blacktop Fenders and Classic Vibe Squiers are within shouting distance of each other.

i wonder how/if they collaborate on business planning.

I think you have to be naive to get hung up on the logo and its a bit late for ethical objection. Most peoples homes are already filled with imported goods made in questionable conditions like this Dell Laptop im typing on for instance.

That aside, i think Fenders logic is for these to be gateway models. Today a Squier, tomorrow a Fender. In the past when a Squier model has had a negative effect on existing Fender models they stop its production.

Of course it's the opposite in my life... Yesterday a Fender, Today all Squiers. Squier just makes cooler shit... *Shrugs*

Just called the two largest guitar shops in Cardiff to see if they were going to stock these or when they would have them in.
Seems September time, if they even bother.

More interested in selling the upcoming black paisley teles.

Holy crap this is awesome! I was super bummed when they put it up on the website and the jazzmaster was only in boring candy apple red. I'm so glad to see the other colors, and I will most definitely be buying one of the sonic blue jazzmasters! I would also love a surf green jaguar! I'm gonna have to figure out which guitars I need to sell to justify buying two more guitars now!