How to Change Strings on Jag w/ Vintage Style Tuning Machine

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:47 pm

What the hell is the matter with you? How many fucking windings did you put into that thing?! "Springing out while winding"?! Use your damn fingers to hold them down and keep the string taut. You only need 1-2 windings per post ever. If you do drop D, then get thicker strings. I keep my Jag tuned to Eflat and I drop that to Dflat all the damn time without problems, just use the right gauge.

Jesus, a wedge?! Seriously?

Will · Post by **Will** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:57 pm

LOCKING TIE

THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT - I don't even play drums and I carry a drum key in my case. You never know.

BobArsecake · Post by **BobArsecake** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:16 pm

My old guitar teacher does those, I always bungle them when I try :(

Armchair Bronco · Post by **Armchair Bronco** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:34 pm

PenPen wrote:What the hell is the matter with you? How many fucking windings did you put into that thing?! "Springing out while winding"?! Use your damn fingers to hold them down and keep the string taut. You only need 1-2 windings per post ever. If you do drop D, then get thicker strings. I keep my Jag tuned to Eflat and I drop that to Dflat all the damn time without problems, just use the right gauge.

Jesus, a wedge?! Seriously?

Calm down! I went for 3 windings because that's what Fender put on the damn guitar at the factory! If Fender had used 1.5 windings, then I would have used that as a starting point. As it was, my Jaguar had 3 windings for the low strings, and a *minimum* of 4 or more windings for the high B and E strings. I had no other frame of reference, so don't crap in your pants.

And don't get all bent out of shape if I decide to use a coin as a wedge, either! Honestly, there are bigger fish to fry: like worrying about the fact that Russia is busy trying to reconstitute its empire under the criminally agressive leadership of Putin...and largely succeeding!

Post by **dots** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:21 am

Mike wrote:Totes. Drum keys should be on fucking keyrings.

Just like every guitarist should have at least some snips and allen keys with him at all times.

lost my card reader else i'd have posted a picture of the inventory i just took of my guitar pouch. it's a black, faux leather thingy that zips open to reveal:

- guitar tool with carbide snips, allen wrenches, bridge pin remover, phillips, flathead
- picks
- earplugs
- polish & cloth
- planet waves pick tuner
- string winder

this thing has gone with me to every gig since i was 19. if you play out regularly without these things, you've paid for it at least once. not i.

paul_ · Post by **paul_** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:48 am

I used to get mad at vintage-style fender hardware being different and disorienting when I first got into shortscale re-issues and stuff but I used to just tell myself "If Kurt Cobain could do it, 15 year old pothead me can do it."

Not sure if that helps or not.

Anyway, Arsecake nailed it if anyone noticed. This was the first time. It will get easier.

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:28 am

Armchair Bronco wrote:
PenPen wrote:What the hell is the matter with you? How many fucking windings did you put into that thing?! "Springing out while winding"?! Use your damn fingers to hold them down and keep the string taut. You only need 1-2 windings per post ever. If you do drop D, then get thicker strings. I keep my Jag tuned to Eflat and I drop that to Dflat all the damn time without problems, just use the right gauge.

Jesus, a wedge?! Seriously?
Calm down! I went for 3 windings because that's what Fender put on the damn guitar at the factory! If Fender had used 1.5 windings, then I would have used that as a starting point. As it was, my Jaguar had 3 windings for the low strings, and a *minimum* of 4 or more windings for the high B and E strings. I had no other frame of reference, so don't crap in your pants.

And don't get all bent out of shape if I decide to use a coin as a wedge, either! Honestly, there are bigger fish to fry: like worrying about the fact that Russia is busy trying to reconstitute its empire under the criminally agressive leadership of Putin...and largely succeeding!

Oh, I'm completely calm. I'm just a huge dickface. It even says so under my username.

Fender did a lot of stupid shit with the Jag, so don't go by what they put on at the factory. That shit needs 11s at minimum, the bridge locked down, and 1-2 turns per tuner.

Pens · Post by **Pens** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:28 am

And the Russia topic is under discussion in the Pub. That's where we keep that shit.

mezzio13 · Post by **mezzio13** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:12 am

dots wrote:
Mike wrote:Totes. Drum keys should be on fucking keyrings.

Just like every guitarist should have at least some snips and allen keys with him at all times.
lost my card reader else i'd have posted a picture of the inventory i just took of my guitar pouch. it's a black, faux leather thingy that zips open to reveal:

- guitar tool with carbide snips, allen wrenches, bridge pin remover, phillips, flathead
- picks
- earplugs
- polish & cloth
- planet waves pick tuner
- string winder

this thing has gone with me to every gig since i was 19. if you play out regularly without these things, you've paid for it at least once. not i.

Serious, my road bag had snips, drivers, allen keys, tuning fork, butane soldering iron & solder, wire, tape, drum key, cymbal stand nuts, extra cable ends and some incidental parts. I know by the number of other guys guitars I fixed on the road, that I'd be screwed without it.

Post by **Mike** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:13 am

mezzio13 wrote:
dots wrote:
Mike wrote:Totes. Drum keys should be on fucking keyrings.

Just like every guitarist should have at least some snips and allen keys with him at all times.
lost my card reader else i'd have posted a picture of the inventory i just took of my guitar pouch. it's a black, faux leather thingy that zips open to reveal:

- guitar tool with carbide snips, allen wrenches, bridge pin remover, phillips, flathead
- picks
- earplugs
- polish & cloth
- planet waves pick tuner
- string winder

this thing has gone with me to every gig since i was 19. if you play out regularly without these things, you've paid for it at least once. not i.
Serious, my road bag had snips, drivers, allen keys, tuning fork, butane soldering iron & solder, wire, tape, drum key, cymbal stand nuts, extra cable ends and some incidental parts. I know by the number of other guys guitars I fixed on the road, that I'd be screwed without it.

Be prepared to rock or prepare to Fail.

rrrob9 · Post by **rrrob9** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:08 pm

Spare strings? Yes. Wire cutters? Doesn't matter.

You didn't have to insult me.

euan · Post by **euan** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:23 pm

I just love getting my clothes caught and ruined by loose string ends.

rrrob9 · Post by **rrrob9** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:40 pm

Man up! Fucking n00b! Our habits vary slightly! etc!

Post by **Mike** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:41 pm

rrrob9 wrote:

Spare strings? Yes. Wire cutters? Doesn't matter.

You didn't have to insult me.

hahaah Jack White? Frusciante?

FAIL

Call me a Cub Scout all you want, you no-mark.

Post by **Mike** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:44 pm

rrrob9 wrote:Man up! Fucking n00b! Our habits vary slightly! etc!

He was being sarcastic, you dolt.

rrrob9 · Post by **rrrob9** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:31 pm

Mike wrote:hahaah Jack White? Frusciante?

FAIL

Call me a Cub Scout all you want, you no-mark.

Er, it's Rory Gallagher. You dolt. Maybe if he'd remembered to pack his wire cutters in his gig bag that night he could be considered as "serious about his craft" as you are, Mike. What an honor.

I could use examples of non-professional players if you prefer?

rrrob9 · Post by **rrrob9** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:32 pm

Mike wrote:
rrrob9 wrote:Man up! Fucking n00b! Our habits vary slightly! etc!
He was being sarcastic, you dolt.

Yes me too. Clever, that.

BobArsecake · Post by **BobArsecake** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:33 pm

Uncut/untidy strings look messy, shite, embarrassing, and disappointing.

Post by **Mike** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:35 pm

rrrob9 wrote:
Mike wrote:hahaah Jack White? Frusciante?

FAIL

Call me a Cub Scout all you want, you no-mark.
Er, it's Rory Gallagher. You dolt. Maybe if he'd remembered to pack his wire cutters in his gig bag that night he could be considered as "serious about his craft" as you are, Mike. What an honor.

I could use examples of non-professional players if you prefer?

Rory Gallagher is terrible, overrated Pish.

You're seriously just making yourself look like (more of) a twat now. As if demonstrating that a shambler like Jack White or a drunk like Gallagher have the same sloppy technique lends any creedence to your argument.

rrrob9 · Post by **rrrob9** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:54 pm

Mike wrote:Why don't you have wire cutters or a pair of needle nosed pliers with a wire cutter attachment in your guitar gig bag/hard case?

Because you're a fucking n00b.

Say what you like about the two players above, they're hardly what you'd call 'fucking n00bs', are they? I haven't got all day to go rooting around looking for examples that you approve of.

Even if you have to stoop to calling me names in order to get your point across (er, that I am 'twat'), can you at least spare the patronising assumptions about my playing experience?