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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:45 am
by Reece
less headstock angle equals cheaper production?
fender have made a grave error there then.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:34 am
by Mages
nondas wrote:Fran wrote:I've generally found Epiphone pups to be a bit lacking. I thought you would come to this conclusion Owen, thats why i recommended Tokai or Burny. Avoid the chinese stuff though. Just make a beeline for anything Jap or secondly Korean.
Fran's right. They are a bit hit and miss in the electronics department. It's one of the first mods people do (that and the input jack... and the pots... and the wiring). I own a couple of Epiphone guitars and I really like them but it's the parent company that pisses me off.
Case in point:
Headstock angle: Why Gibson makes their own guitars with a 17 degree headstock angle compared with the Epi 14 degree (apart from the Casino). Why go out of your way to change this feature? Because you want to ensure that those products are perceived as inferior and carry the stigma of "budget line". Chuck in some cheap pups and here you go guitarist. Looks like a Gibson, but if you're a serious guitarist you should graduate to a real Gibson. I think that's the attitude and that's business. </end rant>
...or you could get a tokai or burny which are true gibson copies.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:43 am
by Mages
Reece wrote:less headstock angle equals cheaper production?
fender have made a grave error there then.
that was the genius of leo fender really. he found a way to cheaply produce a quality guitar. no headstock angle, the whole neck was made out of one piece of wood. of course, as we all know, it doesn't work or sound the same as a guitar built to traditional standards. but we like them that way.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:54 am
by Fran
nondas wrote:Fran wrote:I've generally found Epiphone pups to be a bit lacking. I thought you would come to this conclusion Owen, thats why i recommended Tokai or Burny. Avoid the chinese stuff though. Just make a beeline for anything Jap or secondly Korean.
Fran's right. They are a bit hit and miss in the electronics department. It's one of the first mods people do (that and the input jack... and the pots... and the wiring). I own a couple of Epiphone guitars and I really like them but it's the parent company that pisses me off.
Case in point:
Headstock angle: Why Gibson makes their own guitars with a 17 degree headstock angle compared with the Epi 14 degree (apart from the Casino). Why go out of your way to change this feature? Because you want to ensure that those products are perceived as inferior and carry the stigma of "budget line". Chuck in some cheap pups and here you go guitarist. Looks like a Gibson, but if you're a serious guitarist you should graduate to a real Gibson. I think that's the attitude and that's business. </end rant>
Funnily enough, i've just had a limited edition Epiphone LP (green sparkly top) come to me for repair. The toggle switch has broke, but when i opened it up i was quite disgusted at the quality of toggle switch used. Its one of the crappy plastic £3.00 jobs. I'd expect a metal 3-way for my money is all im saying.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:56 am
by benecol
Fran wrote:I'd expect a metal 3-way for my money is all im saying.
ie. a spit roast with David Lee Roth and Lars Ulrich.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:04 am
by Fran
Quick witted lately are'nt we?
Out of interest
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:07 am
by benecol
Is it wrong that I don't dislike that finish?
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:14 am
by Mike
This is even more wrong - I would rock the fuck out of that.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:16 am
by nondas
benecol wrote:Fran wrote:I'd expect a metal 3-way for my money is all im saying.
ie. a spit roast with David Lee Roth and Lars Ulrich.
holy shit. That was written within 2 minutes of the post. There is no other forum like this in this world.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:18 am
by Fran
benecol wrote:Is it wrong that I don't dislike that finish?
No. Its how i would imagine a J Mascis LP to look like if he had used one.
Its funny doing these repairs, i enjoy it and its extra money but i either end up with GAS for something similar or just get disgusted at the quality to price ratio. As example, working on that Westone Thunder puts stuff like this Epi to shame, they are not in the same league. Yet be prepared to pay £200 more for the Epi.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:23 am
by Doog
benecol wrote:Fran wrote:I'd expect a metal 3-way for my money is all im saying.
ie. a spit roast with David Lee Roth and Lars Ulrich.
larfz
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:25 am
by Mike
nondas wrote:benecol wrote:Fran wrote:I'd expect a metal 3-way for my money is all im saying.
ie. a spit roast with David Lee Roth and Lars Ulrich.
holy shit. That was written within 2 minutes of the post. There is no other forum like this in this world.
You're damn right about that, kiddo.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:27 am
by Mike
Fran wrote:benecol wrote:Is it wrong that I don't dislike that finish?
No. Its how i would imagine a J Mascis LP to look like if he had used one.
Its funny doing these repairs, i enjoy it and its extra money but i either end up with GAS for something similar or just get disgusted at the quality to price ratio. As example, working on that Westone Thunder puts stuff like this Epi to shame, they are not in the same league. Yet be prepared to pay £200 more for the Epi.
The pedal stuff is similar, particularly when I discover what people are churning out in terms of derivative design or just shoddy workmanship. I'm well chuffed you've got into the Guitar game, you've got plenty of skills and it's good to see you getting some coin as a result.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:28 am
by nondas
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:36 am
by Fran
Mike wrote:Fran wrote:benecol wrote:Is it wrong that I don't dislike that finish?
No. Its how i would imagine a J Mascis LP to look like if he had used one.
Its funny doing these repairs, i enjoy it and its extra money but i either end up with GAS for something similar or just get disgusted at the quality to price ratio. As example, working on that Westone Thunder puts stuff like this Epi to shame, they are not in the same league. Yet be prepared to pay £200 more for the Epi.
The pedal stuff is similar, particularly when I discover what people are churning out in terms of derivative design or just shoddy workmanship. I'm well chuffed you've got into the Guitar game, you've got plenty of skills and it's good to see you getting some coin as a result.
Thanks Mike. Im casting a bigger net as well, im on the contacts list at a few shops now. Its part of a bigger plan to earn a living from music, but this aint the thread...
Im equally excited about your pedal business. i've dabbled myself and i know where your coming from. What people are charging for knocked up basic Fuzz Boxes on ebay is a joke.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:30 pm
by endsjustifymeans
Fran wrote:Quick witted lately are'nt we?
Out of interest
DO WANT!
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:28 pm
by Sloan
^same!
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:33 am
by bassintom
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:18 am
by hotrodperlmutter
Mike wrote:This is even more wrong - I would rock the fuck out of that.
committed to memory. this will be useful at some point.
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:17 am
by Mike
The further a Les Paul appears from the Horseshoe ends of the ubiquitous '59 Burst and the horrific Dark Fire/Robot Modern "axes", the more likely I am to like it. If it is stupidly garish or dented to crap I'm also more likely to like it, I like them to have been roughed about a bit.. because of what they are
