Jimi <3 Gibson?

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:31 pm

i was thinking a 60's esquire.
and maybe a 70's mustang. (i think there's one out already)

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:40 pm

Mike wrote:I think Fender are doing some good stuff. The CP Jaguars and Jazzmasters are fantastic and a smart move.

Definitely, by the by they should be improving(?) old models but from a new design perspective they have been quite stagnant since the JS, Toronado and Cyclone. Imo they should offer a Semi at the very least, i cant see how they would lose on it.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:44 pm

Semi'd be good, but I suppose they have the thinline that sort of fills that niche without waking anyone up.

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:51 pm

Fran wrote:
Mike wrote:I think Fender are doing some good stuff. The CP Jaguars and Jazzmasters are fantastic and a smart move.
Definitely, by the by they should be improving(?) old models but from a new design perspective they have been quite stagnant since the JS, Toronado and Cyclone. Imo they should offer a Semi at the very least, i cant see how they would lose on it.

They should bring back the M-80. It's quickly become my favorite guitar in my arsenal. The neck is godly. They just need to put a normal fenderish headstock on it so the fanboys don't complain and shun it like they did with the original release.

Post by **Mike** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:05 pm

Fran wrote:
Mike wrote:I think Fender are doing some good stuff. The CP Jaguars and Jazzmasters are fantastic and a smart move.
Definitely, by the by they should be improving(?) old models but from a new design perspective they have been quite stagnant since the JS, Toronado and Cyclone. Imo they should offer a Semi at the very least, i cant see how they would lose on it.

Either the Starcaster or Coronado would sell massively as a reissue.

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:28 pm

Mike wrote:
Fran wrote:
Mike wrote:I think Fender are doing some good stuff. The CP Jaguars and Jazzmasters are fantastic and a smart move.
Definitely, by the by they should be improving(?) old models but from a new design perspective they have been quite stagnant since the JS, Toronado and Cyclone. Imo they should offer a Semi at the very least, i cant see how they would lose on it.
Either the Starcaster or Coronado would sell massively as a reissue.

this, plus the bass vi as a decently priced reissue.

BoringPostcards · Post by **BoringPostcards** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:31 pm

BacchusPaul wrote:Yeah, they should make a two pickup version of the Esquire, and then maybe a one pickup version of the Mustang with a different bridge.

Those'd be awesome.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but wouldn't they be a telecaster and musicmaster respectively?

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:08 pm

i think his tongue is inserted firmly in his cheek with that one...

Mages · Post by **Mages** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:29 pm

Fran wrote:from a new design perspective they have been quite stagnant since the JS, Toronado and Cyclone.

I think in the grand scheme of things, those guitars didn't sell that well. so like you said, they've kind of strayed away from new designs since then. they're sticking to what sells.

stratocasters.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:25 pm

mage wrote:
Fran wrote:from a new design perspective they have been quite stagnant since the JS, Toronado and Cyclone.
I think in the grand scheme of things, those guitars didn't sell that well. so like you said, they've kind of strayed away from new designs since then. they're sticking to what sells.

stratocasters.

Hmm, i think it was clear from the offset them 3 designs were for a niche market (kurdtz army & the like minded) and were never intended to challenge the big two. Maybe im blinkered to anything but the world i live in but them models sold quite well, especially considering no-one famous endorsed two of them.
The Jagmaster is possibly one of the reasons they were discontinued, its price tag makes it more accessible to that end/age group of the market whilst all the serious players were purchasing HH Jags, Mustang RI's or modifying standard Jags.

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:29 pm

Actually I remember the cyclones doing very well... I saw them all over the place for a few years.

BoringPostcards · Post by **BoringPostcards** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:35 pm

Mike wrote:
Fran wrote:
Mike wrote:I think Fender are doing some good stuff. The CP Jaguars and Jazzmasters are fantastic and a smart move.
Definitely, by the by they should be improving(?) old models but from a new design perspective they have been quite stagnant since the JS, Toronado and Cyclone. Imo they should offer a Semi at the very least, i cant see how they would lose on it.
Either the Starcaster or Coronado would sell massively as a reissue.

agreed. I'd love to see a Starcaster reissue, although the new WRHBs are nowhere near the old ones in design or sound quality.
The Coronados were neat, they had deArmonds in them, did they not?

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:16 pm

they did, i've played an xii model.
with the action lower they're great guitars.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:23 pm

Skiptracer1981 wrote:The Coronados were neat, they had deArmonds in them, did they not?

yup. apparently the chrome topped ones are better than the black centred jobs, but i haven't played one with the black pickups. i've heard people say they're weak and anaemic sounding, mine certainly aren't so i can only assume they're referring to the black type. or maybe they want it to sound like a 335 or something even though they're clearly single coils.

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i really can't see fender reissuing them or the starcaster, they own gretsch for semi-hollow shenanigans nowadays.

mezzio13 · Post by **mezzio13** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:35 pm

Fran wrote:I'd sure like to see Fender make some Chuck Berry 335....

That Squier Series 24 line was pretty cool, and loosely along those lines.

Ends, you own an M-80?!?!?!?!? Bolt-on or set neck. I love those. I almost bought three bolt-ons when Media Play (sort of version of FYE) went under. They had five left for $120 each, and I was hoping that the clearance prices would have gone down a little more, as I had $300 on hand. I finally decided that that was a good enough price and went in and all five were gone. Coincidentally, GC had five new M-80s in stock for $175 a few days later. I also really REALLY like those Elites from that series.

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:02 pm

mezzio13 wrote:
Fran wrote:I'd sure like to see Fender make some Chuck Berry 335....
That Squier Series 24 line was pretty cool, and loosely along those lines.

Ends, you own an M-80?!?!?!?!? Bolt-on or set neck. I love those. I almost bought three bolt-ons when Media Play (sort of version of FYE) went under. They had five left for $120 each, and I was hoping that the clearance prices would have gone down a little more, as I had $300 on hand. I finally decided that that was a good enough price and went in and all five were gone. Coincidentally, GC had five new M-80s in stock for $175 a few days later. I also really REALLY like those Elites from that series.

I have the set neck, with the duncan pups. IT's a great player. Probably my favorite guitar I own. Worth every penny of $400 and I got it for 140 shipped.

Justyn · Post by **Justyn** » Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:32 am

Brian Molko has been rocking the Toronado and the Cyclone lately

Man I'd kill for a Starcaster

ekwatts · Post by **ekwatts** » Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:52 am

The reaction to this is bewildering.

Why do you all keep saying that this release has somehow heralded a less-than-illustrious age for Gibson? This sort of shit has been going on for years now. Their pricing strategy vs. quality looks utterly bizarre when viewed against PRS guitars, unless they're actively attempting to move themselves completely into the nostalgia market and are no longer interested in releasing guitars for guitarists. Need I remind anybody of the pathetic Gibson digital guitar? Something like six years in the making, beaten by two by the Line 6 Variax and had absolutely no redeeming qualities at all upon release.

I said this years ago. Gibson are disappearing rapidly into their own backside. Fender are hardly any better, but at least they manage to offset their tragic decisions with the occasional decent one. The only thing Gibson has released at all with any level of credibility is the "faded" series of guitars. That's it. For fucks sake, they nearly buried Trace Elliott forever because they couldn't be fucking arsed actually doing anything with the name.

Fuck Gibson. And not even for this travesty of a guitar. Fuck them for representing everything that is wrong with guitar design and marketing.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:11 am

Justyn wrote:Brian Molko has been rocking the Toronado and the Cyclone lately

They are mine, i borrowed him them.
The point i was making was... at the time no-one endorsed them models. If they had they would have sold ten fold.

bent · Post by **bent** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:59 pm

ekwatts wrote:Fuck Gibson. And not even for this travesty of a guitar. Fuck them for representing everything that is wrong with guitar design and marketing.

Oh man we aren't gonna get along at all.

Jimi played Strats like because they were cheap. In studio he recorded on Stratocasters, Telecasters, Gibson SGs and a Gibson Flying V

Like I said, in 1960s strats were cheap, (especially compared to Gibsons!). As soon as he'd get one, the nut would get switched out and that was about it. When Jimi started smashing Strats live, he was demanding $100,000 per gig so he could more than afford to smash Strats... however, he didn't smash his Gibsons.

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/2 ... ing-v.html

This isn't the first time Gibson have made a strat...

in the 1980s everybody was making superstrats, even Gibson http://www.delta9studios.com/images/gear/GibsonWRC.jpg

One of my first guitars was an Epiphone Strat just like this one [youtube][/youtube]

Jimi's family gave their name over to this latest copy for the dollar dollar bills yall... but in fairness Fender has taken some Gibson ideas as well... the humbucker would be one and the please tell me the Coronado isn't a 335 copy

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