XII - Page 3

prospect · Post by **prospect** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:15 am

stewart wrote:DGNR8- ordinarily i'd say keep your eyes peeled for a coronado XII neck but it seems like you have the chops to fix that one back up.

i'm pretty sure someone on here has a XII (prospect, i think?)- maybe he'd be willing to help out with tracings.

Haha that's my old picture.
I just got a little emo. Out of all those guitars I only have 3 left.
I just sold my last Univox

What do you need tracings of?

DGNR8 · Post by **DGNR8** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:38 pm

Anything you can tell me about the XIIs?

Look at this NONSENSE for $650. These people always have vintage parts at ridiculously high prices. I have one like this to sell (that's been destroyed, of course) and I was hoping for $40. I am now considering patching the holes with red torty and seeing what my options are. Thing is, I just bought a white one for $40.

DGNR8 · Post by **DGNR8** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:10 pm

Still inching along. I am going to my FIL's house tonight to try and fix the body and head, and the Wang-stang. Meanwhile, check my shit out! I even talked the guy down a few bucks. BTW, I will be selling my red tort guard for cheap after all. Screw it. If someone here or on OSG is making one, let me know.

DGNR8 · Post by **DGNR8** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:45 pm

This is what I did last night. Having the proper tools makes everything so much better. Cutting the end of the headstock was terrifying, even though it was already wrecked and had to be done to fix it. Whoever did it the first time must have been drug addled and desperate. I think the body will be easier to fix than I thought. I am going to paint this thing before winter. Will it be Oly white or Shoreline?

Post by **Mike** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:57 pm

Those bridges are such works of Art.

Strong work, Captain.

taylornutt · Post by **taylornutt** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:02 pm

DGNR8 wrote:This is what I did last night. Having the proper tools makes everything so much better. Cutting the end of the headstock was terrifying, even though it was already wrecked and had to be done to fix it. Whoever did it the first time must have been drug addled and desperate. I think the body will be easier to fix than I thought. I am going to paint this thing before winter. Will it be Oly white or Shoreline?

How do you maintain structural integrity of the neck? Will glue be enough considering the tension of 12 strings? I know some manufacturers like Taylor Guitars glue the headstocks onto the necks with a special joint and that actually increases strength, but this is a different animal from that. Just curious. Really cool project and I hope it works. Fender really needs to reissue this guitar as a Classic Player. I wouldn't even mind one of the Squier Venus XII either.

DGNR8 · Post by **DGNR8** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:24 pm

I would be foolish enough to try this regardless, but my father-in-law has been making furniture for over 30 years. He said that by using a biscuit and glue, he can make the join stronger than the wood itself. The main thing was to get the wood grain going the right direction for strength.

Still, I am thankful that I only have to replace four pegs instead of six, and that Fender uses maple instead of mahogany.

taylornutt · Post by **taylornutt** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:14 pm

DGNR8 wrote:I would be foolish enough to try this regardless, but my father-in-law has been making furniture for over 30 years. He said that by using a biscuit and glue, he can make the join stronger than the wood itself. The main thing was to get the wood grain going the right direction for strength.

Still, I am thankful that I only have to replace four pegs instead of six, and that Fender uses maple instead of mahogany.

How are you going to deal with the tint of the maple? Will you have to age the wood to match? I can't wait to see the finished product.

robert(original) · Post by **robert(original)** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:53 am

it would be cool if you had the airbrush skillz!
hey, i would actually be really interested in picking up that beat up guard from you! im wanting to turn that old villager neck in a XII neck sometime in the near future, i only have about 20 million things to do first tho.

taylornutt · Post by **taylornutt** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:50 am

Some guy on ebay is selling the body, neck and other parts for a Fender XII

http://shop.ebay.com/chunkyfunky/m.html ... ksid=p4340

It would be such a fun project, but that price is expense for me.

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:32 am

can't really beat those prices,
but you can have bodies made/make bodies for less.
so the neck, control plate might be of value.
good luck finding a bridge. (for a reasonable price)

DGNR8 · Post by **DGNR8** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:07 pm

Here's the latest:

FIL suggested I use a chisel in the cavities, which I can do at home. I managed to carve one out already and glue a patch (not shown). He build a jig (in five seconds) so we could clamp the neck down without any movement. He has great ideas and a ton of clamps. The block of wood is for the Wangstang. As you can see, it's two pieces glued together, but in person it almost looks like one.

The headstock was stained such that I didn't even know it had a grain pattern. I got really lucky with the new tip because the grain actually lines up in a few spots. If I wanted to, I could try painting the wood grain by hand, but I don't think I will need to. The front of the headstock will be painted, and the back was not as dark. It should not be that big an issue. I have dealt with worse. Had I been smart, I could have tried to match the tuner plugs up better. One of them happened to land right. But they will be drilled and covered anyway, so it doesn't matter. Just a satisfaction thing.

Robert, the guard is yours, buddy. Maybe you can use it to make a template and spares.

taylornutt · Post by **taylornutt** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:47 pm

What are you doing for pickups?

I saw that Curtis Novak makes vintage reproductions on his website

http://curtisnovak.com/pickups/xii-v.shtml

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:38 pm

soo, expensive.

DGNR8 · Post by **DGNR8** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:54 pm

They're not too expensive. It's $105 per pair.

I think I am going back out there tonight. That means sanding and drilling the headstock (which will then be ready to paint), adding pup cavity patches to the XII, and hopefully gluing in the Mustang patch.

SEE MY POLE for a chance to vote!

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:41 pm

i thought that was per pickup...
good deal then.

DGNR8 · Post by **DGNR8** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:20 pm

Pickup wiring question: original stylee, or fat wire to reduce mids? Also, regular plastic base material or custom brass? I don't even know what that means in terms of sound. But this is going to be like putting a hot rod frame on a modern chassis anyway--it may look familiar in some way, but you can't expect it to sound like any other XII.

Jesus lord nelson reilly, I still have to sort out that googly moogly switch and whaevs teh fook capacitor it needs.

DGNR8 · Post by **DGNR8** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:51 pm

Ugh. No responses. Do I need to start shopping this shit at teh Offsets?!?!?
I think I have decided what to do about the paint. I am going to completely restore the sunburst, even though it can/should never be sunburst again, then paint Oly White over top. Yeah, baby!

Check it out--one of my co-workers father-in-law is in this photo. Look at the Fender XII in back. The FIL is still playing in Pittsburgh. His son and daughter are in his band and they are remarkably good. They have one song that sounds like it could have been written by Van Morrison. Like, you're not even sure if you have been hearing it for 40 years or not. Try and guess which guy he is. (The photo makes it look like one of them peed).

astro · Post by **astro** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:20 pm

What about cannibalizing a Squier Venus XII for the bridge and pickups? I don't know how much these are worth so I have no idea if that would be cost effective.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:25 pm

think he has the bridge already.

that's an ambitious idea for the colour, it'll look amazing if you can pull it off.