NEW Fender Blacktop Jaguar

Boab · Post by **Boab** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:21 pm

Continuing lack of Mustang love from Fender is dissapointing. I'm pretty confident a Squier CV Mustang would sell shitloads, but a 'Stang in this series could've been decent too.

jagsonic · Post by **jagsonic** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:27 pm

You're right - there should be more mustangs overall...

taylornutt · Post by **taylornutt** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:54 pm

Boab wrote:Continuing lack of Mustang love from Fender is dissapointing. I'm pretty confident a Squier CV Mustang would sell shitloads, but a 'Stang in this series could've been decent too.

+1. Not sure why Fender won't bring back the Mustang. This would a great series to try it out on. They could also use the Bronco trem over the Mustang if they wanted to change it up. Go well with the Jaguar. As long as the quality of the Blacktop series is somewhere between the Squier CV and the Classic Players, Fender will make a killing at that price point.

sp3k · Post by **sp3k** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:24 pm

hotrodperlmutter wrote:they call it a jaguar for the three integral reasons: it's a 24" fender offset with a jaguar body shape.

this is a different version of that same guitar, so it has humbuckers, a 3 way switch, and a hardtail. i'm not really so sure what's so hard to grasp.

What i like about a jaguar is the single coils the trem and the extra controls. Calling it a jagmaster would make more sense to me. But i don't really care about this discussion, they can call it what they want. It's not a guitar i probably own, but i'm sure a lot of people will buy it and love it. I'm actually excited to see fender finally doing something new.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:49 pm

They can call it what they want ultimately, but it's really just a rehashed Jagmaster as far as I can see. They've clearly based it on the Jaguar shape since it looks sleeker, but the knobs on the control plate and the colour schemes have no alibi. Minging.

It looks a whole lot better than a Jagmaster but it still looks fairly awful.

Rox · Post by **Rox** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:11 pm

Mike wrote:They can call it what they want ultimately, but it's really just a rehashed Jagmaster as far as I can see. They've clearly based it on the Jaguar shape since it looks sleeker, but the knobs on the control plate and the colour schemes have no alibi. Minging.

It looks a whole lot better than a Jagmaster but it still looks fairly awful.

+1 Except for the awful part .

James · Post by **James** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:43 pm

taylornutt wrote: Not sure why Fender won't bring back the Mustang.

They've been making these for years now.

http://www.fender.com/products/search.p ... 0273706504

borrowedworld · Post by **borrowedworld** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:57 pm

any word on when this will be out or how much?

Post by **dots** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:13 pm

Rox wrote:
Mike wrote:They can call it what they want ultimately, but it's really just a rehashed Jagmaster as far as I can see. They've clearly based it on the Jaguar shape since it looks sleeker, but the knobs on the control plate and the colour schemes have no alibi. Minging.

It looks a whole lot better than a Jagmaster but it still looks fairly awful.

+1 Except for the awful part .

agreed, although, the looks aren't anything to write home about either. ditching the upper and lower controls/chrome is what pushes it into non-jag territory for me. slider switches, roller pots, and chrome all over the place. that's a fucking jag.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:14 pm

Dont like. The design was right the first time, Fender fucking about with shit why dont they get proper creative.

endsjustifymeans · Post by **endsjustifymeans** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:33 pm

Fran wrote:Dont like. The design was right the first time, Fender fucking about with shit why dont they get proper creative.

Honestly the most outside the box design I think they've put out in the last decade is my M-80.

I think this Jag shows they're trying new things. I like that, and honestly... I like the jag. It's stripped to just what you need to rock. Maybe it's more geared to low talent power chord bashers like myself.

DICHOTOMY · Post by **DICHOTOMY** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:37 pm

dig it.

Justyn · Post by **Justyn** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:00 pm

Might as well ditch the scratchplate and rear rout the thing

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:18 pm

endsjustifymeans wrote:It's stripped to just what you need to rock.

Well, i hope it Rocks better than the MIJ HH model.
These designs baffle me, i think we can safely say 90% of prospective Jag buyers are'nt gonna be shredding it up. They want the trem, switching options and vintage vibe usually so im not sure who these will actually appeal to once the high price tag is slapped on it.

peecheeclean · Post by **peecheeclean** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:22 pm

i think the new jag looks like garbage...and just a silver and black option? come on fender...paint is paint.

i'd love to get a mustang w/o its current tremolo, and maybe a humbucker w coil tapping.

MaMo · Post by **MaMo** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:12 pm

I'm going to go with ends on this, I think its great. To be honest, I think if they just didn't call it a Jaguar then the opinion of it would be more overwhelmingly positive. I miss the chrome for sure, but there are too many wins for me given what I like in guitars.

silver sprakkle with black gaurd = win.

short scale with 9.5 radius = win

hard tail = sort of win (I'm not a trem user, but since the jag trem locks I'd rather just have that)

three way switch = win

Jaguar body shape = biggest win

I mean sure, for some folks on the board those are all LOSE but its not like they're going to stop making CP Jaguars because they're making these. I appreciate that Fender is doing something a little different and it works for someone like me.

Haze · Post by **Haze** » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:26 am

Seeing as how fender shits out 12 "new" strats a year, I don't mind that they've SORT OF squeezed out something new

borrowedworld · Post by **borrowedworld** » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:46 am

honestly if they're around $600 or under and don't sound like soggy turds this or the tele might be aqquired.

astro · Post by **astro** » Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:24 am

Boab wrote:Continuing lack of Mustang love from Fender is dissapointing. I'm pretty confident a Squier CV Mustang would sell shitloads, but a 'Stang in this series could've been decent too.

Sometimes I wonder if someone in management at Fender hates Mustangs. They'll never be as popular as strats or teles, but I think they have enough of a fan base that they could sell Squier or cheaper MIM Fender Mustangs quite easily. I see bands playing Mustangs more often than I do Jags, plus there's the whole Kurdtz association and all that related fanboy market. The Fender Custom Shop won't even build you a Mustang unless you're willing to pay ten times the price of their other guitars, because they say it isn't one of their popular models, and yet they offer Bass VI's at their "regular" prices. I refuse to believe that the Bass VI market is bigger than the Mustang market (though I'd love to have a Bass VI!). This is all despite the fact that the only part that would need special tooling is the body (since the neck could use the same tooling as used for Jaguars), and the body is just a plank cut by a CNC machine so it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Of course, Squier has the CV Duosonic, but it doesn't look quite right and comes in Fender's absolute all time worse colour ever. Why couldn't they have just made a Squier Duosonic II instead? That would have been way cooler.

Maybe it's because Fender can't get past the stigma of the Mustang once being labeled a "student" guitar? Gibson doesn't seem to have this issue, as they'll happily sell you a LP junior at all price points.

I love my Japanese Mustang, but since the only RI Mustangs now available over here cost a grand, I can't ever justify buying a second one new. A blacktop mustang with rail pickups and a 3 way switch would have been a fun option. Of course if that ever happened, Fender would probably only release it in various shades of gray.

Mages · Post by **Mages** » Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:13 am

there's a couple factors working against the mustang being reissued by fender USA/mexico/squier/custom shop/whatever.

1.) the market is flooded with vintage mustangs. they were one of CBS Fender's most popular guitars. as a result of this they are easy to obtain and at reasonable prices. that's why you see so many bands playing them. this gives fender little to no justification for selling you an AVRI mustang for $1500. hell, with a little effort you could find a find a decent vintage one for half that price.

3.) fender USA/mexico have never made mustangs. ever. they would have to start up a whole new operation, spending a lot of money in the process for a guitar they probably wont be able to sell for that much money.

2.) squier making mustangs, we can only dream I'm afraid. squier only uses generic strat hardware. the cyclone is the closest they'll ever get to a mustang. I like the duo-sonic II idea, but I can't imagine them actually doing that. I think bringing back the cyclone is more likely.