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[jcyphe]

dddave what stuck to the ceiling?
and guess what jcypche
its not false info, over my bench is a collection of 6 gibsons including the es 335 es 135 the bb king lucile and a howard johonson fusion(along with a few others)
and it lists the info about them and every single one of them is "crap wood"
a.k.a. lame pressed wood.
i have never said anything that is untrue about established guitar companys.

Wow you're really stupid.

If you're referring to the es-335 and es-175 they were always laminate maple by design.

All those guitars you listed that you have supposed access to are 335 or es-175 variants, so it makes sense that they have laminated tops because like I originally stated 335's and es-175 have always have laminated tops by design from Gibson for those models.

If you want to do a carve top as an artisan and luthier that's fine but to call the es-335 and es-175 crap is hilarious. To imply that somehow the modern Gibson company is cutting corners on these models, when they have always been designed with a laminate top is dishonest and false and you're either talking shit because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about or trying to hype yourself up.

The es-335 and es-175 are proven by literally decades of use, thousands of great recordings and gigs and numerous great players who have used them. If you want to build guitars for a living you should I don't know, fucking learn something about the history instead of talking massive amounts of shit.

But what do I expect from somebody who can't even type a correct sentence.

[robert(original)]

pressed tops are crap.
i still stand by it. its all fine and dandy if you dig the look of the guitar, but aucoustically it sucks and structure wise as well.
i think they could be made better. Why does it even matter to you?
who's name are you trying to protect?
every single guitar company is doing something i think is crap. and 95% of the time it is crap.
on a video that i watched of robert benedetto he talks some shit about martin, are you gonna start telling the foremost archtop builder that he is stupid?
even fender does some stuff that(did) that totally screwed up the company name and was a far cry from where they were.
if you want me to back this up, i already have, look for my 79 strat thread.
square pocket with a rounded heel. thats retarded and that is cutting a corner.
its all really simple.
REAL CARVED SITKA SPRUCE>PRESSED MAPLE.

[jcyphe]

please stop , you said something completely WRONG, get over yourself.

You said Gibson doesn't make any carved topped models, they do and always have. Then you named some famous models of theirs with laminate tops that have ALWAYS been laminate tops.

You were wrong in what you said. Discussing the merits of a solid carved top vs. a laminate top is a whole nother matter. But what you said was wrong inaccurate and misleading. And you seem to be developing a pattern of doing this. This forum here is so people can learn stuff about guitars, it's not here just so you can push your negative and unmerited opinions about established companies to hype up your own products. Especially if you're doing so by spreading false info.

Seriosuly, shut the fuck up if you don't know what you're talking about.

[robert(original)]

sorry about all this but, yes i do. I know exactly what i made and i know how gibson makes theres.
i claimed originally that i didn;t like the way gibson was making there 335s and mine, or the one i was making actually was using real wood and was made more like an archtop rather than...... a solid body that looks like a hollow body.
are you a rep for gibson or something, why does this bother you so much?

[theshadowofseattle]

every single guitar company is doing something i think is crap. and 95% of the time it is crap.

95% OF THE TIME I AM RIGHT ABOUT GUITAR COMPANY CRAP!

I love made up statistics. Not as much as I love the rest of your straight-up outlandish statements ("Modern Martin guitars are shit," "I have a 335 with a laminate top so gibson sucks," etc etc).

This nigga's statements is always either nuts or just plain outrageous. ROB(ORIG) IS NUTRAGEOUS!

[jcyphe]

sorry about all this but, yes i do. I know exactly what i made and i know how gibson makes theres.

gibson is pressed laminent, they haven;t done a real carved top in years(no shit)

That is what you originally posted. Implying that they once did Carved tops and now don't because they're slacking. Not even because it has been pointed out to you Ad Naseum that you're wrong about the 335 which has always been laminate, and wrong about the fact they don't do any guitars with carved tops because they do, you still continue to talk shit like you know what you're saying.

I have no vested interest in defending Gibson, I just think it's silly you're posting false info left and right. This is a forum, somebody who might not know any better might think you know what you're talking about. As already has been layed out, you don't. That's why I responded to your original comment, you seem to keep wanting to continue this, instead of saying I made an incorrect statement.

[robert(original)]

there is a small bodied archtop at the shop in st. lious its an old gibson i don;t what year but i believe its from the new york era(40's) but anywho micah(student friend) made a new top for it( the old one was warped out and cracked) so we replaced it a new one and hunng the old one on the wall.
verbatim(comming from a luthier of 20+years)
gibson hasn;t made an archtop like that since the 50's
then there is a poster right over my bench with all the specs.
and to be completely honest with you a 135 is just a hollow body archtop right?
then why pressed wood? you want the aucoustic to ring out right?
it doesn;t make any sense to me to use less than desirable wood for a very desireable guitar.
Shad, you don;t need to jump in here,
and if you notice thats an OPINION.
i said i think that 95% of whats going on is wrong.
i did not say what you are implying that 95% of everything is wrong.
anything that i think is wrong with a company is only becuz of what i have learned and what i have been taught.
and its tru you cannot get a solid top martin for less than around 1,000.00
i think thats shady.
and the average person doesn;t know that, they just like martin,
BUT!!! in there defence they have a unique bracing system and thats probly where people get the idea of " that unique martin sound"
when i think of martin, i just don;t see the same quility that was there.

[jcyphe]

there is a small bodied archtop at the shop in st. lious its an old gibson i don;t what year but i believe its from the new york era(40's) but anywho micah(student friend) made a new top for it

you're just a babbling idiot. Gibson was never based in New York, The original Epiphone company was in NYC and at the time it had nothing to do with Gibson when it was in NYC. Gibson bought it out later.

Keep on babbling any garbage that comes to your head. It's my fault for actually trying to engage you thinking I'm talking to a sensible person on the other end. My Bad, carry on with your nonsense.

[robert(original)]

ok, my bad, maybe it was an epiphone, i knew they were different companies in the begining but i never knew the buyout date.
just to clarify, whats your badge? you know what i mean? what makes you the officer, im not being shitty, im just asking.
collector? player? historian? luthier?
where does your info come from?
like i said, im not being shitty in any way. i honestly just want to know.

[euan]

Fuck sake, a good sounding guitar is a good soudning guitar regardless of how it is made.

[robert(original)]

fuckin a , thanks euan, i try to make the best i can!!! just like aug

[More Cowbell]

i try to make the best i can!!! just like aug