Fender "Road Worn" Guitars, new for 2009

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:58 am

hahahah on the pbass they put the screw holes for the bridge cover but dont give you a bridge cover!!!!!!!!!!?????

hahahah

euan · Post by **euan** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:59 am

mage wrote:fender is testing out a younger market as gen-x is getting older though. there is the j mascis jazzy and the upcoming thurston moore and lee renaldo models.

Eh no.

The J Mascis Jazzy and Sonic Youth models are for people of the 80s and 90s who now have money. These guys aren't so interested in SRV or Clapton Strats but they still have money and their kids are starting to leave home.

Again you are missing the point. Those guitars really aren't for you.

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:01 am

j and thurston were in thier prime when i was in high school. im 30 now. if i had kids going away to school i would have to have knocked up hilary when i was 12. i didn't even meet her until like 10 years after that

euan · Post by **euan** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:04 am

Nick wrote: My point was that for what they are, American fenders cost too much, there's not enough available, and the japanese/mexi models aren't "real" fenders to me. Call that snobbish if you will.

There have been no real Fenders since Leo Fender died. The very last G&L models he presided over were the true Fenders and guitars he was constantly engineering. That is the true Fender spirit.

Jagermeister · Post by **Jagermeister** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:04 am

Mike wrote: Made by cheap Mexican Labour just across the border. It is a non issue.

LOL.

Seriously. It's between wanting your guitar made by Mexicans in Mexico, or Mexicans in California

(I'm five minutes from the factory)

Math (not science): Someone who got into Sonic Youth in 1990 and was 18 when they did it is now 37, and if they aren't trailer trash (if they are, this doesn't matter because they already bought a Toby Keith signature guitar) then their kids are probably about 16 or so... Maybe Fender is a bit early with the marketing, but not much.

euan · Post by **euan** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:06 am

robroe wrote:j and thurston were in thier prime when i was in high school. im 30 now. if i had kids going away to school i would have to have knocked up hilary when i was 12. i didn't even meet her until like 10 years after that

Hardly any of us here are the target market Rob.

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:20 am

what im trying to say is they missed the target market by 18 years with these guitars.

teh kurdtz came out about 18 years ago now and i have one. notice how im not getting any of this other shit? because they are 18 years late.

john mayer strat makes sense. that album he did what that 3 piece band of his was really good. it kills me inside to say it because everything else the man has ever done was cooperate produced bullshit aimed at mall sluts. i didn't buy that guitar because when it came out it was like right before that 3pc album dropped or something and i was like WTF this guy is a hoser that looks like he is having a face annurism when he plays. i guess that john mayer strat still makes no sense because its just a regular strat wtih some sort of "scoop" pickup and they charge you extra for not giving you a back plate.

if fender dropped a =w= strat back in 97 or 98 you know i would own one. if they dropped it tomorrow i wouldn't buy it because dude hasn't played anything but gibsons for the past 10 years and it wouldn't make sense.

if fender dropped a new all black bronco that that one dude plays from that one band that would make money. i don't even know who that dude is but everyone else on this board seems to. artic monkies maybe?

if squier dropped a new found glory jagmaster that that one dude from that band plays with one humbucker...that would make money. the dude has like 8 different colors too. i hate that shit but its a cool looking guitar.

if squier dropped a whole student line in general along the lines of the classic vibes duo sonic, with music masters II's duo II's and shit like that from the 60's it would rule. hell its just like a mustang without all the endless vomit of mindless people complaining about not knowing how to keep it in tune.

i have noticed a triend that squier is going back to the red/black/white/sunburst bullshit again on thier lines and it makes me sad.

if you look at what rock kids today listen too...like the new wave of "mall punk" its all fucking hyper color rainbows everywehre on thier tshirts and album covers n shit. so they are making guitars in red/black/white/sunburst. for the kids. fucking brilliant. some kid walks into a fucking guitar store with a tshirt that has 15 different colors all over it like a skull puking multi colored lightning bolts and you are going to try and sell him a fucking w/b/r/sb guitar. fucking stupid

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:22 am

18 years from now they will put out a squier guitar in a selection of rainbow colors.

everyone strap on the time machine

either that or else they will be out of business by then because none of these kids are buying anything in boring colors

euan · Post by **euan** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:25 am

euan wrote: I've said it before, Robroe needs to put his Management degree to practice and take over Squier.

Destiny

jeff · Post by **jeff** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:46 am

Robroe, you have your finger on the pulse. Rainbow colored Squiers would be the shit.

Mages · Post by **Mages** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:55 am

euan wrote:
mage wrote:fender is testing out a younger market as gen-x is getting older though. there is the j mascis jazzy and the upcoming thurston moore and lee renaldo models.
The J Mascis Jazzy and Sonic Youth models are for people of the 80s and 90s who now have money. These guys aren't so interested in SRV or Clapton Strats but they still have money and their kids are starting to leave home.

that is still a younger market, even if it is one that's growing older.

my post was in response to:

william wrote:there's no frank black tele, kevin shields jazzmaster, tina weymouth mustang bass

william · Post by **william** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:26 pm

mage wrote:
euan wrote:
mage wrote:fender is testing out a younger market as gen-x is getting older though. there is the j mascis jazzy and the upcoming thurston moore and lee renaldo models.
The J Mascis Jazzy and Sonic Youth models are for people of the 80s and 90s who now have money. These guys aren't so interested in SRV or Clapton Strats but they still have money and their kids are starting to leave home.
that is still a younger market, even if it is one that's growing older.

my post was in response to:

william wrote:there's no frank black tele, kevin shields jazzmaster, tina weymouth mustang bass

yeah, i can't explain the jazzmascis. it is a great guitar though.

still, if you wanna be like jmascis, just go get WHATEVER jm you can afford, and play the fucker.

itstoo bad that the only interesting guitars right now are sigs, and sigs are almost uninteresting by nature. the elvis costello one is awesome, too, but still it rather DIY my own cool finish.

Will · Post by **Will** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:38 pm

To get in on the Gibson argument a page late: I still have a corn on the side of my left thumb from where the fret ends on my SG Special would give me blood blisters. I sold that guitar before 9th grade, so it's been a solid 8 years that I've been scarred by Gibson's quality.

Gibson was also just voted the 5th worst company to work for: http://www.gearwire.com/gibson-lowestra ... loyer.html

Besides that, IDK why we are arguing about Fender's merits. Every year they give you less guitars in fewer colors for more money. Add this to rolling back the number of MIJ imports, and you've got an empirically mismanaged company.

Jagermeister · Post by **Jagermeister** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:44 pm

DuoSonicBoy wrote:To get in on the Gibson argument a page late: I still have a corn on the side of my left thumb from where the fret ends on my SG Special would give me blood blisters. I sold that guitar before 9th grade, so it's been a solid 8 years that I've been scarred by Gibson's quality.

Then get your goddamn thumb down

I just gave up and got the fretwork redone (totally, leveling and etc.) on all mine after difficulties, which is an annoying $100 of work to have to put into a guitar costing nearly a grand... Especially after I kept being disappointed with them and selling

At least they keep their value well, not that Fenders don't.

Gibson was also just voted the 5th worst company to work for: http://www.gearwire.com/gibson-lowestra ... loyer.html

Besides that, IDK why we are arguing about Fender's merits. Every year they give you less guitars in fewer colors for more money. Add this to rolling back the number of MIJ imports, and you've got an empirically mismanaged company.

They've seemed to be back and forth with the colors dilemma lately. Maybe this Road Worn bullshit would have at least been reasonably priced had it been CIJ...

timhulio · Post by **timhulio** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:22 pm

I can believe everything I've read about the terrible corporate ethos of Gibson. This snivelling apology about the darkfire piece of over-designed nonsense reeks of BS from the highest level:
http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/F ... dark-fire/

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:43 pm

I would be extremely afraid of owning a guitar like the Dark Fire. If something goes wrong (and no doubt it would), it's back to Gibson with it, not to your workbench or local tech.

I'm sure it's cool as hell, but even by the standards of the most meticulous of luthiers, that much shit in one guitar is destined to have something break in the first year of ownership.

Will · Post by **Will** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:22 pm

Nick wrote:I would be extremely afraid of owning a guitar like the Dark Fire. If something goes wrong (and no doubt it would), it's back to Gibson with it, not to your workbench or local tech.

I'm sure it's cool as hell, but even by the standards of the most meticulous of luthiers, that much shit in one guitar is destined to have something break in the first year of ownership.

Very, very true. The digital stuff out now is an appealing road to take in terms of price, flexibility, and sound quality. It's like buying a computer, though. You need to go in with the knowledge that it will need to be replaced in about 3-4 years.

My grandpa is still using the analog calculator he bought in 1968, but is on his 4th or 5th computer in 10 years. Which was the better value? The calculator cost the equivalent of $3000 when new, but he's used it every day for 40 years. Each computer has cost $400-$600 (due to reusing software, monitors, etc.), but has had to be replaced regularly. Of course, the computer can do infinitely more.
A digital guitar or amp isn't a bad thing inandof itself, musicians in general are just very skeptical of fine instruments being made disposable. Unfortunately, Gibson seems to be taking this route.

Billy3000 · Post by **Billy3000** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:51 pm

Jagermeister wrote:Maybe this Road Worn bullshit would have at least been reasonably priced had it been CIJ...

Aren't they MIM? MIM's are usually cheaper than CIJ.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:16 am

DuoSonicBoy wrote: A digital guitar or amp isn't a bad thing inandof itself, musicians in general are just very skeptical of fine instruments being made disposable. Unfortunately, Gibson seems to be taking this route.

Eh, I'd say the comparison is more along the lines of hybrid cars; having more to go wrong, more to maintain, etc. I honestly don't think digital guitar stuff is going to evolve or crash as rapidly as PCs, if it sounds good to your ears now it'll sound good 20 years down the road, and the components aren't as cumbersome either. The heart and soul of the guitar is still the wood that it's made of, the digital part it's brain, so even if it needs a brain transplant every 5 years or so, I doubt you'll need to buy an all new guitar or be that detatched.

Also, Gibson has a couple "robots" amidst dozens of passive electric guitars, I don't know if I'd say they're going down that route any more than Fender is with its VG strat, or any of the other companies that are experimenting with built in effects/midi/digital preamps.

euan · Post by **euan** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:20 am

The hybrid cars do have more components, but the components they have are reliable. With full electric cars, be it hydrogen or battery there is actually less parts.