Jimi <3 Gibson?

Post by **Mike** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:10 pm

The Coronado is a much cooler guitar than the ES-335 could ever hope to be. I've played both.

bent · Post by **bent** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:17 pm

Mike wrote:The Coronado is a much cooler guitar than the ES-335 could ever hope to be. I've played both.

That may be your opinion, but it's not the popular one.

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"rings cheapo"
"it's not a fantastic sounding guitar either"
"by any means it's not a 335"

I have played both as well and the Coronado pales in comparison to the Gibson 335, but to each their own. To me the Coranado is a CBS POS...

Post by **Mike** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:18 pm

hahaha

Dude. Seriously - using anything those two douchebags say about Fenders as a resource is Epic Fail.

bent · Post by **bent** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:20 pm

Mike wrote:hahaha

Dude. Seriously - using anything those two douchebags say about Fenders as a resource is Epic Fail.

I Disagree, they love Fender. They go on and on about them, just not your beloved Coranado.

I have a few guitar collectors books I got as Christmas presents and they all say similar things about the Coranado.

[youtube][/youtube]

Gavin · Post by **Gavin** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:29 pm

You know your coming off quite the dick. Everyone knows that Hendrix played and liked some Gibsons, but he was clearly a Fender guy. He didn't stop playing Fenders once he got rich. No one is denying that he liked some Gibsons and that's why people are baffled that Gibson would do some Fender ripoff when they could re-issue a Gibson that he actually played. Oh, I know, because they already have and now they're turning their knuckles white trying to squeeze some more of that Jimi cheddar out of the tube.

I've played Stewart's Coronado and it's an excellent instrument, I also think it looks very cool. I've never played a real 335, but I'd imagine they're pretty nice too. Now the money you'll pay for a real 335 is insane, whereas a real Coronado can be a really nice guitar at a fraction of the price. I'd imagine that was the original marketing strategy as well. Doesn't mean it's a cheap POS though. Just because something becomes the 'popular opinion' doesn't mean it's gospel.

Gavin · Post by **Gavin** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:32 pm

bent wrote:
Mike wrote:hahaha

Dude. Seriously - using anything those two douchebags say about Fenders as a resource is Epic Fail.
I Disagree, they love Fender. They go on and on about them, just not your beloved Coranado.

I have a few guitar collectors books I got as Christmas presents and they all say similar things about the Coranado.

[youtube][/youtube]

Everyone please cut to 3:33 and giggle at his solO-face.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:33 pm

bent wrote:I Disagree, they love Fender. They go on and on about them, just not your beloved Coranado.

I have a few guitar collectors books I got as Christmas presents and they all say similar things about the Coranado.

correction, they love strats and teles, nothing else.

the coronado isn't a 335 copy at all, if anything it's a hagstrom viking copy, so get your facts straight.

TDPRI is first on the left.

bent · Post by **bent** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:34 pm

Gavin wrote:You know your coming off quite the dick. Everyone knows that Hendrix played and liked some Gibsons, but he was clearly a Fender guy. He didn't stop playing Fenders once he got rich. No one is denying that he liked some Gibsons and that's why people are baffled that Gibson would do some Fender ripoff when they could re-issue a Gibson that he actually played. Oh, I know, because they already have and now they're turning their knuckles white trying to squeeze some more of that Jimi cheddar out of the tube.

He wasn't a "Fender" guy he was a guitar player. Agreed. However, Fender release budget re-issues all the time.

Gavin wrote:I've played Stewart's Coronado and it's an excellent instrument, I also think it looks very cool. I've never played a real 335, but I'd imagine they're pretty nice too. Now the money you'll pay for a real 335 is insane, whereas a real Coronado can be a really nice guitar at a fraction of the price. I'd imagine that was the original marketing strategy as well. Doesn't mean it's a cheap POS though. Just because something becomes the 'popular opinion' doesn't mean it's gospel.

Everyone has their own opinions but most believe that Coronado pales in comparison to a 335. I mean really, if Coranados are so great why aren't Fender re-issuing them?

bent · Post by **bent** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:35 pm

stewart wrote:
bent wrote:I Disagree, they love Fender. They go on and on about them, just not your beloved Coranado.

I have a few guitar collectors books I got as Christmas presents and they all say similar things about the Coranado.
correction, they love strats and teles, nothing else.

the coronado isn't a 335 copy at all, if anything it's a hagstrom viking copy, so get your facts straight.

TDPRI is first on the left.

Wrong. Everyone knows Fender were trying to copy the 335. It's common knowledge. No one would want to copy a Hagstom

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I get your point about them liking only Fenders Strats and teles

bent · Post by **bent** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:36 pm

Gavin wrote:
bent wrote:
Mike wrote:hahaha

Dude. Seriously - using anything those two douchebags say about Fenders as a resource is Epic Fail.
I Disagree, they love Fender. They go on and on about them, just not your beloved Coranado.

I have a few guitar collectors books I got as Christmas presents and they all say similar things about the Coranado.

[youtube][/youtube]
Everyone please cut to 3:33 and giggle at his solO-face.

pretty wanky but I have seen worse.

[youtube][/youtube]

Gavin · Post by **Gavin** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:38 pm

You're doing that again. You're using the popular opinion, based on a bunch of people who've probably never even played either guitar, and then using it as some sort of objective truth.

And if we're quantifying whether or not Hendrix preferred Gibson or Fender by how many of their guitars he used and how often, then he obviously preferred Fenders.

Post by **Mike** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:38 pm

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If thinking this is a fantastic guitar sound is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

Gavin · Post by **Gavin** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:38 pm

bent wrote:
stewart wrote:
bent wrote:I Disagree, they love Fender. They go on and on about them, just not your beloved Coranado.

I have a few guitar collectors books I got as Christmas presents and they all say similar things about the Coranado.
correction, they love strats and teles, nothing else.

the coronado isn't a 335 copy at all, if anything it's a hagstrom viking copy, so get your facts straight.

TDPRI is first on the left.
Wrong. Everyone knows Fender were trying to copy the 335. It's common knowledge. No one would want to copy a Hagstom

Ok, whatever.

bent · Post by **bent** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:41 pm

Mike wrote:[youtube][/youtube]

If thinking this is a fantastic guitar sound is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

yeah i saw that, not impressed, but to each their own

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:41 pm

bent wrote:Wrong. Everyone knows Fender were trying to copy the 335. It's common knowledge. No one would want to copy a Hagstom

why not? 60s hagstroms are great guitars.

and look at the coronado's construction, it's nothing like a 335. you might as well compare it to a banjo, you plum.

bent · Post by **bent** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:43 pm

Gavin wrote:You're doing that again. You're using the popular opinion, based on a bunch of people who've probably never even played either guitar, and then using it as some sort of objective truth.

Ahh not true. They are very knowledgeable, you just disagree with them. Discussing Fender versus Gibson is like discussing religion. I like both equally.

bent · Post by **bent** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:44 pm

stewart wrote:
bent wrote:Wrong. Everyone knows Fender were trying to copy the 335. It's common knowledge. No one would want to copy a Hagstom
why not? 60s hagstroms are great guitars.

and look at the coronado's construction, it's nothing like a 335. you might as well compare it to a banjo, you plum.

Stewart, it's common knowledge. I highly doubt Fender would have tried to copy a Swedish manufacturer virtually unknown in the U.S. at that time. Please mate...

My facts are straight your's aren't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Coronado

Gavin · Post by **Gavin** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:50 pm

On reflection, the Coronado is clearly a ripoff of the "Elvis" Hagstrom Viking II. The Elvis appeal is presumably part of the reason for doing it along with the fact that Fender probably didn't offer many/ any semi-acoustics and it just makes sense to cover all of your product bases.

stewart · Post by **stewart** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:51 pm

bent wrote:
stewart wrote:
bent wrote:Wrong. Everyone knows Fender were trying to copy the 335. It's common knowledge. No one would want to copy a Hagstom
why not? 60s hagstroms are great guitars.

and look at the coronado's construction, it's nothing like a 335. you might as well compare it to a banjo, you plum.
Stewart, it's common knowledge. I highly doubt Fender would have tried to copy a Swedish manufacturer virtually unknown in the U.S. at that time. Please mate...

My facts are straight your's aren't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Coronado

haha, quoting wikipedia at me? oh, well anything written on there and editable by any member of the public must be true. by the way, did you know marilyn manson used to be in 'the wonder years'?

wikipedia wrote:The Coronado was a true hollow-bodied electric guitar; like the Gibson ES-330 and Epiphone Casino, it did not have a central solid wood block in the body. This is in contrast to guitars such as the Gibson ES-335, which, although appearing similar, were constructed with a solid central block running lengthways through the body, with two hollow "wings" attached to either side.

either way i couldn't give a toss what you think about them, if you're getting all your information from collector's books and youtube videos.

bent · Post by **bent** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:54 pm

stewart wrote:
bent wrote:
stewart wrote: why not? 60s hagstroms are great guitars.

and look at the coronado's construction, it's nothing like a 335. you might as well compare it to a banjo, you plum.
Stewart, it's common knowledge. I highly doubt Fender would have tried to copy a Swedish manufacturer virtually unknown in the U.S. at that time. Please mate...

My facts are straight your's aren't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Coronado
haha, quoting wikipedia at me? oh, well anything written on there and editable by any member of the public must be true. by the way, did you know marilyn manson used to be in 'the wonder years'?

wikipedia wrote:The Coronado was a true hollow-bodied electric guitar; like the Gibson ES-330 and Epiphone Casino, it did not have a central solid wood block in the body. This is in contrast to guitars such as the Gibson ES-335, which, although appearing similar, were constructed with a solid central block running lengthways through the body, with two hollow "wings" attached to either side.
either way i couldn't give a toss what you think about them, if you're getting all your information from collector's books and youtube videos.

"yeah you get your information from things like the news and the internet, sucker"

Where do you get your information? Where does it say anywhere that the Coronado is Hagstom inspired?