Mid-2012 Squier Vintage Modified Jazzmaster Jaguar Mustang

laterallateral · Post by **laterallateral** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:47 pm

Decal issue aside, I admit that find the truss rod access at the headstock on these sorta disrupts the 'flow' of the their design, a bit.
However, this isn't something I'd care to pay three bills for and you can't gloss over the fact that that placement just makes more sense, anyway.

And yet... The OCD in me keeps glancing at the JM JM sitting in the rack with my other guitars, thinking of ways to make a maple plug to stuff in there....

** HINT, HINT, SQUIER **

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:54 pm

Mike wrote:I would be definitely buying one of these if real. The green jaguar is filthy hot.

Ditto Red Mustang.

Fuck I have both those guitars already GAH

me too. why couldn't the jaguar be sonic blue ? pissssssssss

TheBurbz · Post by **TheBurbz** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:58 pm

Has anyone posted these pics yet?

laterallateral · Post by **laterallateral** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:00 pm

Yeah, in the Squier Mustang thread. There's no question those actually exist, the debate is wether they're going to be sold outside of Japan or not.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:04 pm

laterallateral wrote:Decal issue aside, I admit that find the truss rod access at the headstock on these sorta disrupts the 'flow' of the their design, a bit.

You probably should go outside and take a deep breath of some "get the hell over yourself"

laterallateral · Post by **laterallateral** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:33 pm

Hey, I just came back from outside and guess what, I still think truss rod neck access is a bit ugly.

Also, are you ready for this? I still think you're a low rent twat.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:34 pm

TheBurbz wrote:

I can live with that.

Ankhanu · Post by **Ankhanu** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:48 pm

I *like* the headstock truss rod access.
The look doesn't seem off to me, and I live in a climate that has large fluctuations in humidity and temperature; easy access for adjustment is a wonderful thing.

That said, I've had to make FAR fewer adjustments on my guitars, but I have to adjust my basses 2-4 times a year.

Really, I'd be happy if Fender put their adjusting screws at the headstock too.

Post by **Mike** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:06 pm

laterallateral wrote:Also, are you ready for this? I still think you're a low rent twat.

OK that's a little bit personal (and unexpected). I was just trying to poke a little fun at the corksniffing of a budget model.

Would you care to elaborate why you think I'm a "low rent twat"? I try to do right by people as best I can. I like to think I'm a good person. You seem to think otherwise.

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:08 pm

HA HA

MR. SALTY GOT HURTBUTT

it wasn't funny at first but now that you are pissed its hilarious

robroe · Post by **robroe** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:08 pm

KPI · Post by **KPI** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:10 pm

Squiers are great guitars, well built and a very cheap price point.

my main beef is that they are so good, why not just put a fender decal on them.

I don't care if a guitar is made in Japan or China or Indonesia or Mexico. All these countries can produce fantastic instruments if the parent company lets them. Indonesia can product gear up to US standard, they are just not allowed to, cause Fender doesn't want to sell a guitar like that for 90 bucks.

My point is that I am a total brand snob. My squiers are great guitars. but I grew up brainwashed on Fender. thats what branding and marketing is meant to do, trick you into paying more for an inferior product but with a familiar logo.

I'll go very ape over a 60's mustang, or a MIJ mustang or a mustang made wherever, but it has to be a FENDER mustang. not a SQUIER mustang or a HONDO mustang. its retarded, but there you are.

I do wish that someone would come up with the idea of doing a mustang other than red, white or blue. in 60 years no ones thought of doing them Sherwood Green, Burgundy Mist, Inca Silver, Surf Green, or Charcoal Frost. even in Japan.

Ankhanu · Post by **Ankhanu** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:14 pm

KPI wrote:Squiers are great guitars, well built and a very cheap price point.

my main beef is that they are so good, why not just put a fender decal on them.

Because it's NOT Fender that's producing the instrument. Squier is a separate company with licensing rights to some Fender designs... that's different from being the same company.
It's not just the country that the instrument is made in, they have completely different chains of employees/administration, which is also where some of the savings come from.

Similarly, Fender Japan is NOT the same company as Fender USA/Mexico. They have separate administrations, separate laws and regulations, etc.

KPI · Post by **KPI** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:25 pm

its a block of wood fed into a CNC machine, and a water slide decal.

its the same. A chicken mcnugget in the US is the same as a chicken mcnugget on the moon.

Fran · Post by **Fran** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:36 pm

Ankhanu wrote:Really, I'd be happy if Fender put their adjusting screws at the headstock too.

Its definitely more practical. I've done tech work for a guitar shop for years and truss rod screws at the other end under the pickguard are a pain in the arse.

laterallateral · Post by **laterallateral** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:48 pm

Mike wrote:
laterallateral wrote:Also, are you ready for this? I still think you're a low rent twat.
OK that's a little bit personal (and unexpected). I was just trying to poke a little fun at the corksniffing of a budget model.

Would you care to elaborate why you think I'm a "low rent twat"? I try to do right by people as best I can. I like to think I'm a good person. You seem to think otherwise.

Shit! I guess I didn't catch the humour...

Provided you had been serious, your comment based on my aesthetic preference, especially in assuming that I'd even give a shit in the first place, is what would have come off as low rent (to mean gratuitous and uninspired) and twattish.

Again, as it seems I failed to see the humour in your comment, I take no offense and apologize for the one I made.

James · Post by **James** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:49 pm

A lot of people complain about guitar companies being stuck in the 60s, but it's only because so many players are. Headstock access is 100% an improvement over heel access. Why wouldn't you want it there other than that it doesn't look the same as it did on earlier guitars?

There's no doubt at all that Squier will sell boat loads of these. This year should be pretty interesting for projects, too. I think a lot of people who had ideas based on these guitars but couldn't justify starting out with an MIJ Fender and adding parts on top are going to jump on these as modding platforms. I even had the exact same thought as Ultratwin about a baritone neck on the blue Jazzmaster.

Thomas · Post by **Thomas** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:50 pm

Ankhanu wrote:
KPI wrote:Squiers are great guitars, well built and a very cheap price point.

my main beef is that they are so good, why not just put a fender decal on them.
Because it's NOT Fender that's producing the instrument. Squier is a separate company with licensing rights to some Fender designs... that's different from being the same company.
It's not just the country that the instrument is made in, they have completely different chains of employees/administration, which is also where some of the savings come from.

Similarly, Fender Japan is NOT the same company as Fender USA/Mexico. They have separate administrations, separate laws and regulations, etc.

Having similar models across the ranges ensures that they're hitting every price point too. Right now there's a huge section in the lower mid-priced range that's a huge grey area for what you're getting for the money, high end Squiers kicking low end Fender guitar butt!. it's a great time to buy guitars right now. Well apart from the economy.

SKC Willie · Post by **SKC Willie** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:01 pm

KPI wrote:its a block of wood fed into a CNC machine, and a water slide decal.

its the same. A chicken mcnugget in the US is the same as a chicken mcnugget on the moon.

why do you say that? recently a video was posted about a strat being made and while it was the US factory, the majority of the work was done by hand. if they're using manual labor in the country where it would be most expensive, I would assume they're doing it where labor is cheap too. I think you'd be surprised how much of the guitars we play are made with real people's hands and not CNC machines.

Billy3000 · Post by **Billy3000** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:05 pm

KPI wrote:Squiers are great guitars, well built and a very cheap price point.

my main beef is that they are so good, why not just put a fender decal on them.

My point is that I am a total brand snob. My squiers are great guitars. but I grew up brainwashed on Fender. thats what branding and marketing is meant to do, trick you into paying more for an inferior product but with a familiar logo.

I'll go very ape over a 60's mustang, or a MIJ mustang or a mustang made wherever, but it has to be a FENDER mustang. not a SQUIER mustang or a HONDO mustang. its retarded, but there you are.

You're not going to find any sympathy here for your brand snobbery. Being a snob about which brand label is on the headstock is stupid.

Also, If Fender were to put their name on these and sell them at the same point it would create too much competition for their more expensive Japanese and Mexican made models. What would most likely happen is these would be increased in price to be much closer to the japanese and mexican models to eliminate some of that competition and just to appeal to stupid brand snobs like you and It would take cool, affordable guitars away from those of us that don't fucking care about such stupid shit.