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St. Jimmy wrote:

Fran wrote:Tastes aside, Mustaine stuff is quite difficult to play- even badly.

I have to agree with Jimmy on this, the guitar has the right tone and appears to intonate well so i think he did well. He is a nice little player too, i wish i could have played like that at 15.

yeah, i mean he's already surpassed me in the widdly-widdly category...not that i want to play liek that, but i rec'nize the skillz it takes to pull that shit off though.

I'll never be as good as him, but my guitars will always look better.

endsjustifymeans wrote:

St. Jimmy wrote:

Fran wrote:Tastes aside, Mustaine stuff is quite difficult to play- even badly.

I have to agree with Jimmy on this, the guitar has the right tone and appears to intonate well so i think he did well. He is a nice little player too, i wish i could have played like that at 15.

yeah, i mean he's already surpassed me in the widdly-widdly category...not that i want to play liek that, but i rec'nize the skillz it takes to pull that shit off though.

I'll never be as good as him, but my guitars will always look better.

ha ha ha. tr00.

The more I look at it... teh more I kind of like the fact that it looks like a cartoon guitar. I'd never play it... but it has a certain charm. Sort of like that Corky kid from that show in the early 90's.

endsjustifymeans wrote:The more I look at it... teh more I kind of like the fact that it looks like a cartoon guitar. I'd never play it... but it has a certain charm. Sort of like that Corky kid from that show in the early 90's.

hahahaha.

i could never build a guitar from scratch.
i could never widdly-widdly.

this kid has two things over me.

i believe that this is the guitar McClownshoes was actually trying to copy, more so then the jag-stang

serfx wrote:i believe that this is the guitar McClownshoes was actually trying to copy, more so then the jag-stang

That guitar would have been cool, but it appears they ran out of wood at the bottom.

its like a modified swinger

so god damn ugly. it doesn't even look like a fucking jagstang.

mediocre jorb mcclownshoes?

I still like Buckethead.

Widdly has it's place and is better for having guitarists who are more varied these days than straight 80's hair-vai-driving-soundtrack shred.

Since Yngwie ate all the shred pie there's Kinda more a vibe growing a bit like Skateboard stars in my opinion: Buckethead, Bumblefoot, even Herman Ri....sorta weirdo performance guitarists pulling mad tricks.

If McCauleyCulkin is playing Megadeth he gets my vote. Can't see the the video but does he grit his teeth and start the video with "Hello me, meet the reeeal meeee and my misfits way of life" da-DA DUM.

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All good points. Like I've said, my attitude is definitely each to their own. I'm ambivalent to people wanting to play whatever they like but here are some of my casual observations:

1) People who play that stuff that I've met in the gig circuit invariably end up smug holier-than-thou tossers
2) They often don't know how to work within a song except to noodle all over the place and be heard at all times
3) DO NOT WANT said people noodling all over my guitar in some bizarre sexual abuse if I don't know/like them
4) Are 95% of the time not interesting as guitarists
5) They often look like a badly dressed Lord of the Rings vampire with ugly unnatural looking guitars that I hate. Yeah this last point is bitchy and lame - I just wanted 5 points, see.

This is all at local music scene guitarist level. The higher up you go the results may vary obviously.

GeorgeF wrote:All good points. Like I've said, my attitude is definitely each to their own. I'm ambivalent to people wanting to play whatever they like but here are some of my casual observations:

1) People who play that stuff that I've met in the gig circuit invariably end up smug holier-than-thou tossers
2) They often don't know how to work within a song except to noodle all over the place and be heard at all times
3) DO NOT WANT said people noodling all over my guitar in some bizarre sexual abuse if I don't know/like them
4) Are 95% of the time not interesting as guitarists
5) They often look like a badly dressed Lord of the Rings vampire with ugly unnatural looking guitars that I hate. Yeah this last point is bitchy and lame - I just wanted 5 points, see.

This is all at local music scene guitarist level. The higher up you go the results may vary obviously.

I'd say they are fair generalizations. that's why i like Buckethead and bumblefoot as they don't really fit those points and seem to have a sense of humour too.

Guitarists, and most musicians in general are some of the most awful people on earth. Especially guitarists.

Having to talk to another guitarist is one of the most unpleasant situations I can think of.

It's amazing to me how little a person can know about music history even though they can do many annoyingly technical things, and claim that "music is their life".

Those people always have a certain mindset that is just completely broken; and they cannot understand music that has any guts to it whatsoever. They would go apeshit over something like say, a Steve Vai record because it's complex; yet would not be able to understand one Henry Cow song that is one-hundred times more complex than any guitar virtuoso or metal bullshit, simply because it has balls to it and odd and interesting sounds are happening. It is still incredibly complex, but has guts at the same time; and unconventional techniques seem to really throw them off.

Basically, if the video of the kid playing his new guitar is any indication of his future; he is fucked in one way or another.

Narco Martenot wrote:Basically, if the video of the kid playing his new guitar is any indication of his future; he is fucked in one way or another.

ROLF

Narco Martenot wrote:Guitarists, and most musicians in general are some of the most awful people on earth. Especially guitarists.

I dunno, I think that mostly applies to guitarists pre Nirvana and to 14 year old guitarists today in the post-rehabilitation of popular (US) metal. The next time punk rock rears its head again the pendulum will swing around. Most musicians I have met are generally cool people.

The only generalisations I can't abide are arrogant tech guitarists on youtube (just the arrogance, not the tech) and those awful UK student types who think music is only real if you have a semi mullet and a duffel coat and come from the north and only make songs with chords…."real music" as they and Paul Weller would like to think it. Arrogant widdler types are there in ANY field of human endeavour. The only thing they have in common is that they are cunts.

Anyway, rejecting one aesthetic of 'technical exacting virtuosity' on the grounds that 'those types' will never understand the aesthetic of 'outside-the-box sloppy creative virtuosity' is exactly the same process as what you claim they are doing. You therefore are doing the same behaviour, the same mental process, and have more in common with 'them' than you'd like to admit.

By all means choose your side if you absolutely must cling to some made up truism about 'real music', but at least be honest about it and just say "I don't value that musical aesthetic because of my assumptions about what is 'real skill' and I quantify this with the immeasurable standard of 'guts''"

EDIT : or just say you simply don't like it of course!

That is all.

Black Cat Bone wrote:Would it be the wrong time to say I love Buckethead?

+1 <3

Black Cat Bone wrote:

Narco Martenot wrote:Guitarists, and most musicians in general are some of the most awful people on earth. Especially guitarists.

I dunno, I think that mostly applies to guitarists pre Nirvana and to 14 year old guitarists today in the post-rehabilitation of popular (US) metal. The next time punk rock rears its head again the pendulum will swing around. Most musicians I have met are generally cool people.

The only generalisations I can't abide are arrogant tech guitarists on youtube (just the arrogance, not the tech) and those awful UK student types who think music is only real if you have a semi mullet and a duffel coat and come from the north and only make songs with chords…."real music" as they and Paul Weller would like to think it. Arrogant widdler types are there in ANY field of human endeavour. The only thing they have in common is that they are cunts.

Anyway, rejecting one aesthetic of 'technical exacting virtuosity' on the grounds that 'those types' will never understand the aesthetic of 'outside-the-box sloppy creative virtuosity' is exactly the same process as what you claim they are doing. You therefore are doing the same behaviour, the same mental process, and have more in common with 'them' than you'd like to admit.

By all means choose your side if you absolutely must cling to some made up truism about 'real music', but at least be honest about it and just say "I don't value that musical aesthetic because of my assumptions about what is 'real skill' and I quantify this with the immeasurable standard of 'guts''"

EDIT : or just say you simply don't like it of course!

That is all.

I don't like it.

elitist is elitist.

It's more anti-elitist I would say. Either way it's a question of taste not superiority.

GeorgeF wrote:it's a question of taste not superiority.

word. which is why all the piss in the kids/metal people in general's cornflakes is elitism and snobbery. i'm not even a metal/tappy/shreddy/widdly-widdly guy, but i completely see the skill it takes to pull that shizz off.