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Biased the JVM410H

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:39 pm
by Mike
So after giving the stock tubes a month or so to bed in I decided to check the bias and adjust it if necessary, the designer, Santiago posts on jvm410.com and had given some steps for how to bias the JVM and suggested bias voltages/currents for optimimum performance/tube life.

These things are supposed to be biased at 30mA per tube from the factory and the bias is adjusted by two pots, one for each pair of tubes, so readings of 60mV per side (teh connector is off a 1 ohm shunt) should be about right. The designer recommends setting in the region 30-35mA.

Take off the back cover, and the bolts from underneath the headcase which bolt the chassis to the case while the amp is lying on it's face. My feet look horrible I know.
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Lie the amp headcase on end end carefully and then grab the top transfomer casing, lift the chassis slightly and slide it out of the headcase. Set the case aside and lean the amp against something (like a filing cabinet), we're going to have to connect a speaker cabinet (for safety) and power so keep those wires accessible and not dangling over the tubes which will get hot. I'm using my little Marshall 1x10" cab with an 8 ohm speaker.
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This is the bias pots and probe connector on the PCB. Middle pin is ground, the side pins are for each pair of power tubes, along with their associated bias pot.
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Turn master volumes to 0. Plug in amp and put it in standby, let tubes warm up for a few minutes and then measure the bias: I measured 60mV (60mA) per side so 30mA per tube - perfect as factory setting. I decided to up it to 35mA. Do this with very small incremental changes to each pot, measuring the bias each time until you get there.
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Some dodgy photos of the glowing toobs.
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Had a play afterwards and it still sounds great, and I know I'm running at a slightly higher level now - will know more next time i get to crank it at rehearsal.

This method will help you for most PCB probably amp designs but the calculations for the bias voltages will differ with design.

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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:57 pm
by euan
Beasting post Mike.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:01 pm
by Doog
Weird, I woulda thought they'd put the bias pots in a user-friendly location like on the JCM2000s?

Ah well, job done. Nice one, Mikey.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:04 pm
by Mike
Doog wrote:Weird, I woulda thought they'd put the bias pots in a user-friendly location like on the JCM2000s?

Ah well, job done. Nice one, Mikey.
We asked the dude about that and apparently that might have caused more problems than you think, people adjusting bias without knowing what they're doing can do quite a lot of harm to the amp, or tubes at the very least. I think they're wanting to ensure that people don't fuck about unless they know what they're doing.

But I agree with you, I personally would have prefered to not have to take the chassis out but c'est la vie.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:37 pm
by euan
Stops people complaining that the amp sounds like shit because someone has fucked about with the bias as well, I guess.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:42 pm
by Doog
True, but an unbiased amp can sound shit too.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:17 pm
by Mike
Very true. Too high and you'll damage the tubes/amplifier - too low and you'll be in crossover distortion and the amp will sound thin and lifeless.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:42 pm
by Doog
You sold your biasprobe thing off right, so presumably it was just a screwdriver and multimeter job?

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:47 pm
by Mike
Yuppers. The JVM has those connector contact points like in teh pictures.

The 6100 doesn't which is a pain in the hole. Basically I'll just send that puppy to a tech if I need it biasing, I can't be screwed with it and I gained £20 through that Bias Probe thing, ordered it, waited for it, biased amp once, sold for £20 more on ebay.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:50 pm
by Doog
Aha, I missed the pic. I am a scanning, short attention'D idiot.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:03 pm
by Mike
OH GOD THE FAUX PAS

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:19 pm
by Doog
HOW WILL I SHOW MY FACE AT KENNETH'S COCKTAIL PARTIES NOW?!

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:50 pm
by ekwatts
Your feet really do look horrible.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:02 pm
by Doog
Most feet are pretty gross, to be fair.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:07 pm
by ekwatts
Mine don't.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:09 pm
by Gavin
My flatmate wins the grossest feet compy. He has no toenails on his big toes.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:16 pm
by Doog
ekwatts wrote:Mine don't.
((nopics))

Put up or shut up, twinkletoes.

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:21 am
by dots
hell yeah to this thread. i'll have to get the needed tools first, but when i re-tube the jvm, i'm using this.

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:51 am
by Mike
Glad to be of service! Just remember to use a multimeter with a mV DC setting, and take it off the "hold" setting if it has one - that had me baffled for some time. Keep your hands well away from any caps and you'll be fine. You're looking for a reading between 60mV/mA (30 per side) and 70mV/mA (35 per side)

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:33 am
by Thom
Nice thread Mike, informative as ever :)