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essplain me neck contour letters

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:20 pm
by filtercap
Given that the letters C, D, and U are all round at one end, that at least two are flat on two sides (or all three depending on the typeface :P ), and that all three letters can be shallow or tall, thick or thin, rounded or squared ....

Of a C-shape neck, a D-shape neck, and a U-shape neck, which is the deepest? the shallowest? the flattest on the sides? Heh? Is one deep yet sort of squared-off? Is one practically a semicircle? What if I want a Q-shaped neck? With umlauts? Spill it.

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:59 pm
by filtercap
Hah.... I looked around the intro nets, and it turns out the whole letter-of-alphabet-shaped-neck-profile business is all talk -- nobody knows which one's which.

Some people say a C-shaped neck is shallow and flat while the D is "oval" shaped, and others say the D is shallow/flat and the C is deep/round. Some have the U neck deep and flat with rounded "corners", some would have the round part of the U on the floor-facing edge of the neck and squared off on the other edge.

Warmoth doesn't even bother with letters, and I don't blame them.

This guy provides illustrations of his version, like so:

C shape Image

V shape Image

D shape Image

U shape Image

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:03 am
by iCEByTes
nice tread
filtercap wrote:Given that the letters C, D, and U are all round at one end, that at least two are flat on two sides (or all three depending on the typeface :P ), and that all three letters can be shallow or tall, thick or thin, rounded or squared ....

Of a C-shape neck, a D-shape neck, and a U-shape neck, which is the deepest? the shallowest? the flattest on the sides? Heh? Is one deep yet sort of squared-off? Is one practically a semicircle? What if I want a Q-shaped neck? With umlauts? Spill it.
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Profiles: A "C," "U," or "V?"
Neck profile (the "shape" of the neck) is probably the most personal element of a guitar. It affects how your hand and fingers "fit" the neck and how easily you can move from fret to fret. From early on acoustic guitars employed some variation of a "C" shape. Electric guitar makers have experimented extensively and a variety of profiles have evolved with the preferences of players. Jeff Beck's favorite Fender Stratocasters had a very fat "C" shape; current models of Fender's Custom Artist Jeff Beck Signature Strat have a smaller "C" to be more player-friendly.

Similar to the "C" is the oval neck profile. This offers a less pronounced curve at the back and has its followers. On the other side is the "U" - an almost-rectangular shape that appeared on many Fenders - perhaps best for players with long fingers. And Eric Clapton has favored a "V" neck that provides a comfortable groove down the middle. A variation on this is the "inverted V," that is thicker on the bass side and thinner on the treble side.

Width is as much a factor in the neck profile as shape, leading some guitar makers to abandon the letter analogy and begin describing profiles as "wide-fat" or "regular-thin" and so on, in which widths are "wide, regular or narrow" and depths range from "fat to regular to thin." This often provides a clearer description of the profile and can help you when you're shopping for guitars online. Parker and Paul Reed Smith use these types of descriptions.
Source : http://www.sweetwater.com/shop/guitars/ ... -guide.php

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i posted about the profiles on other topic
http://www.shortscale.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12108

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http://www.21frets.com/neck_profiles.html

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:58 pm
by luke
Ignore Icey, I think your diagrams sum it up just fine, without confusing the fuck out of yourself.

V is rounded with a slight point, C is more rounded, D sticks out more, U sticks out even more.

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:02 pm
by iCEByTes
Malik wrote:Ignore Icey, I think your diagrams sum it up just fine, without confusing the fuck out of yourself.

V is rounded with a slight point, C is more rounded, D sticks out more, U sticks out even more.
post some thing helps instead flame me asswhole
tired coz ur city got an new lake in center of city ??? not my pproblemn

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:15 pm
by Mike
Shut up Icey.

The only way to tell the difference is to play.

I'd recommend playing a Telecaster Standard (that's your C neck) and then a Telecaster Deluxe (that's your 70's U neck which was the Strat 70's profile too). As for V's you'll have to hunt out a 50's RI or that lame Clapton Strat.

You'll only know what works when you play it.

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:25 pm
by filtercap
I like the Icey diagrams just fine, esp. because I was having a hard time finding any that used the letters. The diagrams do show how little agreement there is -- even among manufacturers -- on which letter goes with which profile though.

So it sounds like around Shortscale anyway, C is the roundest profile, V is a pointier version of C, D has some shoulders to it, and U is a deeper, squarer version of D.

My favorite neck is on my '78 Musicmaster. That's probably a C, it's pretty round-n-chunky, but doesn't seem squared-off at all. My 90's Stratocaster is great, but I don't like the neck profile that much. It's probably a D -- thinner and flatter. Unless it's a "thin C" or something.

I'll saw the necks in half tonight and take some pictures.

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:38 pm
by Justin J
i played an old acoustic quite some time ago at a guitar store. the thing was probably from the '30s or '40s and it realy had a 'v' neck. the back actually came to a point, not rounded off like the modern ones. it was actually quite nice to play on, surprisingly. and the old gibson mandolins have the same thing
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:51 pm
by filtercap
Maybe the V makes a skinny-necked instrument like a mando easier to position one's hand on? I'd like to try a more V-shaped guitar neck sometime.

I used to think this Musicmaster was a pain to play bar(re) chords on due to the thick neck. Now I like the neck better and find thinner necks more fatiguing. It could be that my grip has relaxed a lot since then too.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:01 pm
by iCEByTes
V neck feel is very different , played on eric clapton strat at an store
and wow its notable different .....

C is just classic short-scales are Thin C , D is modern i love thin necks Wizzard and Wizzard 2 be far my favority D shape , C shape i love Gibson and fender strats 60´s