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How the hell are you supposed to keep the thing in on the CIJ?
Am I missing something or is it just supposed to rest in the hole so if I lean forward it falls out?

did you try pushing down on the arm and making sure its seated?

If it wont hold after you have pushed it all the way in... there is a collet inside the trem, next time you change your strings take the trem plate off the body and gently squeeze the collet together with some pliers. Sometimes the collet loses its 'grab' after a while, its just one of them things with Jags.

Fran wrote:If it wont hold after you have pushed it all the way in... there is a collet inside the trem, next time you change your strings take the trem plate off the body and gently squeeze the collet together with some pliers. Sometimes the collet loses its 'grab' after a while, its just one of them things with CIJ Jags.

fixed.

careful when you squeeze em tho reece, they can snap if you are too ham fisted.

My old AVRI jag's collet lost its grip too, so it's not just a CIJ thing, altough it does certainly seem more prevalent on them. I second what Hurb says about the collet being brittle though, go really careful. There was a bloke a few years back who fit a rubber grommet around his collet (hello technical terms and hello innuendo) on the underside of the trem plate just to keep it tight, and he swore by this method. Another popular option is a few wraps of PTFE (plumber's) tape.

Ironic that people complained the MIM Jags have screw in arms - surely this is an improvement?

I prefer the screw in system for sure. One of the things that put me off the Mustangs trem is the fixed arm.

euan wrote:I prefer the screw in system for sure. One of the things that put me off the Mustangs trem is the fixed arm.

But you can use a grub screw to fix it in place, I think that's a good system.

Mike wrote:

euan wrote:I prefer the screw in system for sure. One of the things that put me off the Mustangs trem is the fixed arm.

But you can use a grub screw to fix it in place, I think that's a good system.

Aye, it's grand.

Yeah but I like my trem arm to fall out of the way when its not wanted. Atleast thats what I used to do. I might order a new trem arm actually.

Mike wrote:Ironic that people complained the MIM Jags have screw in arms - surely this is an improvement?

Depends, I reckon: I like screw in trems if the threaded hole doesn't pass all the way through the block - that way, you can drop a trem arm tension spring down the hole (dipped in vaseline to stop it corroding and to stop it dropping out when you remove the arm, of course), and the arm will stay at whatever angle you left it. Otherwise, I've always found that screw in arms swing around too much for me. I like the trem arm to stay where I leave it, not to point sraight down. That's why I like the Jag and JM trem.

Much as I hated playing my strat, I really enjoyed setting it up - I've remembered loads of stuff.

benecol wrote:

Mike wrote:Ironic that people complained the MIM Jags have screw in arms - surely this is an improvement?

Depends, I reckon: I like screw in trems if the threaded hole doesn't pass all the way through the block - that way, you can drop a trem arm tension spring down the hole (dipped in vaseline to stop it corroding and to stop it dropping out when you remove the arm, of course), and the arm will stay at whatever angle you left it. Otherwise, I've always found that screw in arms swing around too much for me. I like the trem arm to stay where I leave it, not to point sraight down. That's why I like the Jag and JM trem.

Much as I hated playing my strat, I really enjoyed setting it up - I've remembered loads of stuff.

You just learn which angle to start screwing it in at so it ends up rigid where you want it. I guess.

I thought that, and almost went insane trying to suss out what angle I liked (even to the extent of counting turns), but what angle you start at doesn't matter; the worm (I think that's what it's called - the male part of the thread, if you like) still engages with the threaded hole at exactly the same point. Again, PTFE tape goes some way to stopping this.

My Trem Arm is in my draw,

...-er.

Hurb wrote:

Fran wrote:If it wont hold after you have pushed it all the way in... there is a collet inside the trem, next time you change your strings take the trem plate off the body and gently squeeze the collet together with some pliers. Sometimes the collet loses its 'grab' after a while, its just one of them things with CIJ Jags.

fixed.

careful when you squeeze em tho reece, they can snap if you are too ham fisted.

I'm ham fisted but I'll try me bestest not to snap stuff.

Thanks!

Zaphod wrote:How the hell are you supposed to keep the thing in on the CIJ?
Am I missing something or is it just supposed to rest in the hole so if I lean forward it falls out?

The most elegant and effective fix I found, was to wrap a single layer of sellotape around the bottom half inch or so. This seems to a) hold it in place b) allow the arm to swing freely back to rest on the jack cable, but in a sort of dampened smooth fashion which prevents it from smashing into it.

I probably remove it once every few months, clean off the old tape and wrap a fresh layer on. Never found a better fix...

Screw ins are fine if the thread is tight, if not they can be noisy and eventually the thread will knackered if you are a heavy user. Wilkinsons are quite good because the arm stays in position if wanted but you can also move it easily. I think the Jaguar traditional trem is excellent, my Jags have been one of the most stable guitars i've owned as far as holding tune goes.

Mine has a long lip, much longer than my mustang. It goes in the trem hole at least 2 or 3 inches and fits fairly tight.