Marshall JCM 900 SL-X [Repair Journal]

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Marshall JCM 900 SL-X [Repair Journal]

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I got this from the other guitarist in Chattanooga punk sensation 40oz. Folklore. Here's a quick list rundown of wha happen.





PROBLEM:
Sound fades out and sometimes fades back in - as if someone was turning the amp on and off.



DIAGNOSIS:

1. [Tubes] it had EL34's in it, but this model was made for 5881's. I'm pretty sure you can get away with swapping them around, I've done it for a while in other amps. I had some JAN PhillipsECG 6L6WGB tubes that I put in it to try. NOTE: Some of these actually did use EL34's, you can tell the difference by looking at the value of the power tube's screen resistors.

I noticed that the tubes were redplating like a motherfucker, so i swtiched them out with some 6L6GB's I had and they still redplated - I could smell the tubes burning up. Nasty! At this point, I'm like 'FUCK WHAT'. So I just crank down the bias pot to lower the heat on those tubes. This seemed to do the job.

The amp seemed to be working ok and I thought maybe it was just the tubes, but then it starting the 'ol cutting out trick again, which is annoying as hell. I messed around and looked all over but didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. I noticed only the phase inverter 12ax7 was lighting up and decided to swap around all the 12ax7's to make sure they all lit up in that same spot - they did, so they were all ok. I plugged my GOTH LES PAUL into the FX Return and it worked and sounded great and I found myself relieved about having a fully operational power section.


2. [Preamp] So, now I know it's some shit in the preamp keeping these tubes from lighting up, I finally narrowed down the problem enough to find some useful information on this here internet. Apparently there is a very common problem with some of the DSL models in which a bridge rectifier that supplies DC voltage to the preamp tube's heaters gets so hot that it melts it's own solder joints causing the 12ax7's to shut down. People were replacing the actual bridge rectifiers thinking they were the actual problem, but I doubted a component like that would fail without being physically destroyed.



REPAIR:
I unscrewed and flipped over the preamp board and went through with my BABY SIZE FLASHLIGHT to find any shitty solder joints - there were quite a bit. NOTE: The overall build quality on this thing seems rather shit compared to other amps I've had the pleasure of glancing into (but it may have been fucked with before?). Anyway, I reflowed and resoldered all bad joints I could find and especially focused on all the bridge rectifiers there. I turned the amp on and fiddled around a bit more with the soldering on some bridges and it seemed to be working. I left it on for quite a while and checked back every so often and it's been stable.




TO DO:

1. Riff the shit out of it and see if I can fuck it up again
2. Bias the 5881's or maybe put the el34's back in and bias them right
3. Record some clips!



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Here are the bridge rectifiers. They turn the AC voltage into DC voltage for the preamp tube heaters. They overheat and fuck up their solder joints causing this amp to be a pain in the dick.
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Ok, looks like BR3 - the bridge rectifier that is between those capacitors is the culprit. The thing gets hot as hell. I went to radioshack and bought a huge 4amp/400v rectifier to replace it with, hopefully it will stay cooler...
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Here's the new Radioshack bridge rectifier all wired in sloppy and such, seems to be holding steady right now, but this thing is even getting hot as hell. wow.
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i used to own an SL-X and hated it. but then again i prolly never knew how to use it.
but... either it was clean or dirt. or dirt and dirt louder.
i sold it and bought an '68 twin instead. and then some.
never looked back...

but... good work!

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Well played, Mate!
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I kept the amp on ALL NIGHT LONG and woke up to properly working tubez!
Now I just have to figure out how to put that jank on there without having it pick up extra buzz and shit because of the wires...


Amazin'ly enough, I had linked to this on a local music forum where the owner posts and it got me two more amps to mess with - a solid state ampeg svt bass amp and a jcm 2000 tsl that fell off the cab during it's very first show and fucked up. i'm excited about gettin' in thar!
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Everything seems to be working great now. Here's a superquick test clip:
http://bestnetworx.com/uploader/files/5 ... merald.mp3
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Sloan wrote: jcm 2000 tsl that fell off the cab during it's very first show and fucked up. i'm excited about gettin' in thar!
This is what i have, luckily ive never had to take it apart but from what i hear they are so ridiculous to work on.
The PCB's are paper thin.
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Sloan wrote:Everything seems to be working great now. Here's a superquick test clip:
http://bestnetworx.com/uploader/files/5 ... merald.mp3

Sounds pretty good man.
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purplehaze19x wrote:
Sloan wrote: jcm 2000 tsl that fell off the cab during it's very first show and fucked up. i'm excited about gettin' in thar!
This is what i have, luckily ive never had to take it apart but from what i hear they are so ridiculous to work on.
The PCB's are paper thin.
it's a great, well built amp, so i doubt you'll have to for a long time to come. i gig'd one all over the west coast for 7 or 8 years and only ever had it in the shop a couple times. once for re-tubing, once because a venue's shitty power cooked a few solders inside (and blew tubes & fuses). workhorse!
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Oh yeah i agree. I bought new in '04, changed tubes only once and it has never let me down.
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was reading up on weezer's gear and this is what's listed

http://weezequip.tripod.com/rivers_amps.html

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It's sounds awesome when you back the gain out of "fizz zone" and roll the trebbz off a bit.
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Progrockabuse wrote:was reading up on weezer's gear and this is what's listed

http://weezequip.tripod.com/rivers_amps.html
Lulz, right at the bottom- same amp as me.. probably the 100w model though. I wonder how much of a "pain in the dick" (cheers Sloan) Rivers finds the shared EQ. He's probably had his modded and shit I guess.
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Sloan wrote:It's sounds awesome when you back the gain out of "fizz zone" and roll the trebbz off a bit.
Try having the Gain Sensitivity low, that should pull the extra clipping out of the circuit.
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Mike wrote:
Sloan wrote:It's sounds awesome when you back the gain out of "fizz zone" and roll the trebbz off a bit.
Try having the Gain Sensitivity low, that should pull the extra clipping out of the circuit.
that's wut i'm talking about!
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sounds great. i am growing into the marshall sound