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bypass pop or occasional bleedthrough?

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:51 pm
by aen
So I make this HAX pedal, which makes a lot of racket. The problem with it is that in the traditional True Bypass wiring there's occasional blleedthrough from the oscillator/tone generator when bypassed. To remedy this, i tied the power to the chip to the indicator LED, and it pops when you engage.

I chose to go with the popping seeing as most people who use the hax are bedroom rockers or studio noisemakers. But now I've gotten an email about fixing the pop, and i wonder if theres anything else to try, or if occasional blledthrough would be preferable.

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:56 pm
by Mike
Use the input grounded scheme, this will solve bleedthrough most probably

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I use this for all the pedals I build, it calms the awkward ones down.

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:59 pm
by aen
hmm, ill have to try that. I dont have a pic, but my scheme sends the FX output to ground in bypass.

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:06 pm
by Mike
Hmm.

Have you tried sticking low value (200-500pF) caps across the pins of the oscillating IC?
Using shielded wire for input and output from jack to switch might help, only ground one end of the shield though.

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:35 pm
by aen
nope, might give that a shot too. Keep in mind though, in true dwarfcraft fashion, the chip is being mis-used.

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:46 pm
by euan
Ahhh, there is some trick as well to do with a resistor at the input or output to stop pop as well. Cannae remember it.

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:24 am
by Markn951
euan wrote:Ahhh, there is some trick as well to do with a resistor at the input or output to stop pop as well. Cannae remember it.
never heard of that before...actually, i'm curious as to WHY the pop happens. I mean, the physical switch has a click and i can understand that but i've never noticed an audible POP coming through the amp...

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:17 am
by aen
LOTS of EHX pedals do it. I think in this case it's becasue of the power conecting to the chip?

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:39 am
by robert(original)
i have noticed a pop with a few pedals of mine(not dwarfcraft stuff per say) but it was generally with a great volume increase on the pedal itself.
i want to say that my nano bassballs did that, but after about 2 weeks of heavy hitting the popping went away, and it seemed like the switch just needed to broken in.

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:49 am
by Mike
The resistor trick is a 1meg pulldown resistor to ground at the input and output.

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:01 am
by stewart
aen wrote:LOTS of EHX pedals do it. I think in this case it's becasue of the power conecting to the chip?
the NYC big muff does it, and you have the added bonus of it buzzing like fuck too.

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:11 am
by Mike
And when it's on - it's rubbish.

I hate the NYC Muff.

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:43 am
by Doog
I've still got Spud's (your old one) here- plugged it in yesterday. The "bypass" is like turning your treble down to 0. FAIL EHX.

That said, I used it on a Doog album track- with the tone way down, it's pretty usable if you're not switching between clean and furze.

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:47 am
by Mike
Yeah it's not tooo bad just ON but I prefer the Green Muff circuit.

The bypass was superwhack, the only thing it was good for was taming overly trebly guitars. I could TB that easily, BTW

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:55 am
by Doog
Mike wrote:I could TB that easily, BTW
I was actually thinking about buying it off him, but the Green Muff does sound a lot nicer. And I don't need more distortion pedals, it's getting silly again.

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:57 am
by Mike
haha tell me about it. I have amassed a huge amount of builds - it's frigging dumb

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:18 am
by Doog
At least you're perfecting a skill and trying new builds and that.

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:20 am
by Mike
Yeah, 'suppose, it's just addictive.

- I wonder what a HyperPak sounds like

*solder smoke*

BRANG!

That's what I'm building into the Saltstorm StormTrooper Case, a HyperPak with a new tone control which is bypassable.

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:32 pm
by aen
Doog wrote:I've still got Spud's (your old one) here- plugged it in yesterday. The "bypass" is like turning your treble down to 0. FAIL EHX.

That said, I used it on a Doog album track- with the tone way down, it's pretty usable if you're not switching between clean and furze.
Thats so bizarre. Its fucking EASIER to TBP a muff, and at least with the ECT, I didnt get any pops or anyting.

PS what is hyperpack?