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Jagmaster Repair Question

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:28 pm
by taylornutt
I finally fixed my Jagmaster grounding problem and I got the guitar back together last night. I upgraded from .10s to .11s and I noticed the wood in front of the pivot post is beginning to split and come apart.
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I knew it was cracked when I assembled it, but I am worried the additional strain of .11s might make the problem worse. The post is beginning to tilt forward. Any ideas on how to fix it? Is this a glue and clamp job or can I reinforce with a metal bracket? Thanks.

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:38 pm
by robroe
how many springs you got in the back?

if you got all 5 in there clamping it down it won't pull up like that

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:42 pm
by James
11s wouldn't have been enough to damage it further unless it was fucked already.

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:43 pm
by robroe
it was fucked already

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:28 pm
by taylornutt
robroe wrote:how many springs you got in the back?

if you got all 5 in there clamping it down it won't pull up like that
I originally had 3 springs in the back, but added the 4th spring because the bridge plate was rising up.

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:31 pm
by Bacchus
robroe wrote:how many springs you got in the back?

if you got all 5 in there clamping it down it won't pull up like that
Yes it will.

Is it getting worse? If not then I wouldn't worry.

I would either hard tail it by installing the original, six post bridge and screwing all the screws down so that the other five are taking the strain too, or get it repaired. I'd imagine the best way to repair it would be to remove that bit of wood and replace it with a small block the same shape, but Robert or someone might have a better idea.

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:37 pm
by taylornutt
BacchusPaul wrote:
robroe wrote:how many springs you got in the back?

if you got all 5 in there clamping it down it won't pull up like that
Yes it will.

Is it getting worse? If not then I wouldn't worry.

I would either hard tail it by installing the original, six post bridge and screwing all the screws down so that the other five are taking the strain too, or get it repaired. I'd imagine the best way to repair it would be to remove that bit of wood and replace it with a small block the same shape, but Robert or someone might have a better idea.
This is a 2002 Jagmaster, which came with the 2 post bridge, so it's the original setup. I am mainly trying to figure if I can repair it or I should take it to my tech. I am annoyed cause I just had it apart last night to fix a grounding issue and I am not sure I want to disassemble it again. Luckily, it has locking tuners so the strings can come out quickly.

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:58 pm
by Bacchus
Hmmm, didn't realise any Jagmasters had two point bridges. I know my 2002 Chinese 25.5" one has a vintage bridge with six screws. Has any else any more information on this?

Have you taken the bridge off? It is possible that whoever had the guitar before you fitted a two post bridge on there. Are there four holes between the posts that you can't see with the bridge on?

Either way, if that wood's moving, then you have to either repair that crack, or get it so that the load is being shared by the rest of that ridge.

Luckily, any repairs here will be easy to hide on account of the pickguard and such.

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:19 pm
by taylornutt
The 2 point bridges were done at the factory between the Vista Series and the current ones. I saw another one at Guitar center the other day that was CAR like mine and had the same bridge. Kinda like a American standard strat bridge. I also see them on the silver 2002 JMs as well. I had to rebuild the bridge because the stock one was broken. Post some pics of yours, Paul. I would like to see it



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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:24 pm
by Bacchus
Is your guitar shortscale?

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:28 pm
by taylornutt
BacchusPaul wrote:Is your guitar shortscale?
No. 25.5 scale.

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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:31 pm
by Bacchus
Weird. Looking around it seems they shipped them with both bridges. The six post one seems more common and that's all I had ever seen, but there are a couple of instances of this two-post one.

Anyway, none of this is very helpful to you, sorry.

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:36 pm
by taylornutt
BacchusPaul wrote:Weird. Looking around it seems they shipped them with both bridges. The six post one seems more common and that's all I had ever seen, but there are a couple of instances of this two-post one.

Anyway, none of this is very helpful to you, sorry.
I didn't know they had six post ones during that era. My best bet may be to take it apart, glue and clamp the area around the post and see if that will strengthen it enough. I just don't want the shaft bending over too far. The original wood is all there and there is a gap to put the clamp in. I am just mad I have to take it apart again.

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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:22 pm
by taylornutt
I opened her up and it was worse than I thought. The threads for the post actually came out it was so loose. The crack is fairly extensive. I think I will be taking her to the repair shop. Not sure I want to tackle this one.
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:43 pm
by Pacafeliz
oh wow that's a NICE guitar!!! but, saddly, it seems that it's time to finish 'er off... :twisted:

;)
Pat.

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:28 am
by DaveB
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Look Familiar?

I've had this thing kicking around for about three years now. I did a temporary fix with an L bracket and glued the cracked bits. The post was coming right out. Got it going enough to find out that this has my favourite 25.5" neck. If I ever get off my ass, I plan on routing the post area and replacing it in steel or wood and mounting a hardtail bridge. I thought about getting another body. The two posts are hard to come by. New bodies are a few bucks more than I wan't to spend on such a cheap guitar.

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:02 am
by robroe
dude if i can fill in 3/4 of my bronco body and have it work fine you can do this tiny little fix yourself. just scrape all that shit out of there, fill it in with DAP woodfiller, wait 2 days and re drill the hole.

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:02 am
by robroe
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:55 pm
by taylornutt
Pacafeliz wrote:oh wow that's a NICE guitar!!! but, saddly, it seems that it's time to finish 'er off... :twisted:

;)
Pat.
Unfortunately, your words were all too prophetic. The guitar shifted two different directions and it's too expensive to repair. I will have to figure out what to do next.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:10 pm
by Mages
aw man, that's too bad. it was such a nice looking guitar.


in the right hands it could still be fixed though. (definitely not my hands but I've seen pictorials online of people fixing this problem) it's the kind of thing where you have to cut it out and put a new piece of wood in.