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I gots new pedals today.
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:27 pm
by pumpkin
Artec Twinhead TWH1
I got it for €40.60 on sale from €58.00
Analog delay ADL2
This one was €48.30 down from €69.00
I'll get some sound clips up later on
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:31 pm
by timhulio
Any chance of a gutshot of the analog delay? Be interesting to see what chips they've used.
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:16 am
by lorez
look forward to the demos nwordjim
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:26 am
by pumpkin
timhulio wrote:Any chance of a gutshot of the analog delay? Be interesting to see what chips they've used.
This is as close as my camera would focus in
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:27 pm
by timhulio
Ah can't read them. Do the two bigguns say PT2399?
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:49 pm
by pumpkin
Let me crack it open again later on and I'll tell you. Watch this space.
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:37 pm
by Doog
Coolies, sound any good? From what I gather, Artec pedals have the same guts are most lower end (Biyang, Daphon, etc) pedals, they're just in a slightly more booteek enclosure.
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:39 pm
by stewart
i'm pretty sure one of my mates has that twin head one, he got it for £25. sounded ok, if i remember.
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:06 pm
by Mike
There's one of these that actually isn't really analogue, not that that is pertinent, if it sounds good who cares?
They might be Cool Audio BBDs but they seem to have too many pins, they actually look like Microcontrollers/DSPs which would suggest Digital.
Similar gutshot of the Twin Head?
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:26 pm
by pumpkin
Mike wrote:There's one of these that actually isn't really analogue, not that that is pertinent, if it sounds good who cares?
They might be Cool Audio BBDs but they seem to have too many pins, they actually look like Microcontrollers/DSPs which would suggest Digital.
Similar gutshot of the Twin Head?
Here's the product page.
http://artecsound.com/effect/index.html
I doubt you'll see what you need from this so I wrote down the numbers on top if the chips (from right to left)
"RC4558
76M
AKX1"
"M1"
"76C3V1M
TLC2264C"
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:46 pm
by pumpkin
timhulio wrote:Ah can't read them. Do the two bigguns say PT2399?
From right to left
"ARTEC
AT34F512
KR05
L72401"
"SA571D
J28366012
jnr0802"
"TL062C
6BM
ADHX"
"TL062C
79K
K50J"
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:46 pm
by Mike
Interesting. These use a similar buffered FET switching to boss I think.
It's dual op-amp based, that's what the 4558 is. Could be tubescreamer derivative, but I'd need to trace the board to know that.
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:50 pm
by Mike
nwordjim wrote:timhulio wrote:Ah can't read them. Do the two bigguns say PT2399?
"ARTEC
AT34F512
KR05
L72401"
Proprietory chip, nothing online about it.
"SA571D
J28366012
jnr0802"
Compander.
"TL062C
6BM
ADHX"
Dual op-amp.
I'm fairly sure you don't often do explicit companding in a digital delay so it could be analogue?
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:55 pm
by pumpkin
Well they advertising the Delay as analog... it's name is "ADL-2 ANALOG DELAY"
From the website:
The very Analog Delay- Echo Effect that players who are tired of the Dry-Taste of Digital Effect have been looking for.
Analog time control ASIC chip (Not a BBD chip)
Mike wrote:Interesting. These use a similar buffered FET switching to boss I think.
It's dual op-amp based, that's what the 4558 is. Could be tubescreamer derivative, but I'd need to trace the board to know that.
So it's partially a BOSS clone?
Mike, you sure know allot about this stuff. Good on you.
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:59 pm
by Mike
Lots of people market stuff as analogue and it turns out to have a digital delay line doing the actual delaying, so people have been naughty in the past, not that it matters. All that matters is sound and what you like.
I have a delay pedal I built on my board, it's PT2399 based (the chip Tim mentioned) which is in cheaper digital delays like the Danelectro PB & J and also more expensive stuff like the Skreddy Delay. The pedal I use is the Echo Base which was designed by a really smart bloke on the diystompboxes.com forum, it's basically a digital delay with some filtering on the repeats to give it an analogue character and a lovely modulation section to add warble or do chorusing at low delay times, I love it.
I have an Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man in the big box format which I love but to be honest I've just not thought of kicking the Echo Base off my board since I started using it, digital just works better for me personally, even if it is doing an impression of analogue. So the DMM is under my bed.
Every now and then I pull it out because it's gorgeous sounding, I just hate that it needs it's own power supply and can't be daisy chained.
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:01 pm
by Mike
nwordjim wrote:So it's partially a BOSS clone?
Mike, you sure know allot about this stuff. Good on you.
Nah I just think they use a similar approach to switching, it's cheaper than using a 3PDT and less prone to failure. They have used a DPDT switch in their design, they're more readily available and can be bought for less cost at higher quality.
I only know what I've picked up building and playing these things, I went through loads of delay pedals a few years ago, nothing hugely expensive though - mainly the Boss stuff with some Line 6, EHX etc.
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:06 pm
by pumpkin
To be honest every thing sounds like shit because my only amp, a Fender Champion 600, has it's stock shitty speaker.
I only bought it a couple of weeks ago, so I am gonna try to return it. Failing that, I am gonna sell it on and put the profit towards another setup.
Not to change to topic but I am just gonna buy another Sovtek I think. I loved my MIG 100 I had in the 90s. I like a big clear sound that doesn't break up all that much (or at all) that I can then just use a distortion pedal and other effects with.
Mike, to be honest I really like the youtube videos of your pedals. I will be putting an order in after I gets my amp
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:07 pm
by Mike
The Sovteks are fantastic (I believe either Bassman or Marshall JCM800) clones, but built to survive nuclear war. If you're wanting a blank canvas to add pedal sounds to that doesn't break up, you could do far worse than either of those amplifiers.
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:36 pm
by SKC Willie
Post a demo of the analog delay!
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:45 pm
by LorteMidget
so they sound good for a 40$ pedal?
