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The Jagular is born.

I have commissioned two new guitars which will be my new main guitar and back up. It is a customization/bastardization of the classic Jaguar, and I have thus named it the Jagular. It has the body and control plates of a Jaguar, but is modified to be full fender scale length (25.5 inches) instead of the Jaguar’s usually, and very short 24 inches. Since we play in D standard the majority of the time, the longer scale works better for my situation. The guitar also ditches the notoriously troublesome and unreliable Jag and brings in a standard tune-o-matic. The trem is also ditched, mostly for reliability issues and increased sustain. The wiring on the original Jaguar is, in my opinion, pretty dumb, so I am changing it up, though I am using all the switches to do different things which are cool and make sense. Our sound guy accused me of building these only because they have a lot of switches. He’s maybe partially right. Anyway, I’ll be posting photos of their progress, and more about how it’ll be wired up, etc.

loves me some p-rails, kind of dumb that he's keeping the shape of the jaguar and thats about it, but still cool. Seeing the music they play i don't think the jag's trem/bridge/scale would be ideal. Can't wait to see these live in action some day

The Jagular is born.

that name is stupid as shit.

The guitar also ditches the notoriously troublesome and unreliable Jag and brings in a standard tune-o-matic. The trem is also ditched, mostly for reliability issues and increased sustain.

you're unreliable. why not just say you're doing it for the sustain and the metalz?

It has the body and control plates of a Jaguar, but is modified to be full fender scale length (25.5 inches) instead of the Jaguar’s usually, and very short 24 inches.

oh, so it's a jazzmaster with p-rails?

The wiring on the original Jaguar is, in my opinion, pretty dumb, so I am changing it up

you're pretty dumb. and you're not changing shit up. the commissioning of a guitar means you tell someone what you want and they make it happen.

i'm sure it'll look cool, and sound great, but the guy's a wanker.

looks like it has one of those custom 4 switch plates too for all the p-rail goodness.

looks like a regular jag 3 hole switch plate to me.

so.. its a jazzmaster, with no trem. and p-rails.. with a jag switch system? but no rhythm circuit?
lame dude builds lame warmoth guitar. too play in lame band.

the rhythm circuit is dumb though. it's way too dark and makes no sense for it to be only on the neck pickup when tone control is way more useful on the bridge pickup. and if you are using p-rails of course you're not going to go with the original switching because there are twice the amount of pickups and configurations possible.

and gotta say, I like the natural + black guard.

whatever.

ummm. . . buy a toronado special? it's not quite fender scale, but it's got a tom bridge, dual humbuckers, and of course the offset body. also has the added bonus of not having to rape a perfectly fine design and insult it and everybody who plays one because you're too fucking dumb and/or lazy to either make it work or admit that there is no one-size-fits-all instrument.

kill yourself.

lol. nice NOT A FUCKING JAGUAR, dude.
I vote green trans burst, gold anodized pickguard and that you KILL YOURSELF.

laterallateral wrote:I vote green trans burst, gold anodized pickguard

All that coolness rolled into one! I think he should add a Floyd Rose too. In GOLD! or bronze.

This reminds me of Brandon Anix all over again.

Until you get to the level where you have half the guitar playing internet sending you emails asking about your guitar collection, just shut up about your custom guitars. It takes all the fun out of speculating when we see a picture of a guitar being played with weird mods, and it makes you sound like a tool.

He needs to just buy a Jagmaster and put a strat neck on it with P-rails.

He basically wants a guitar that looks cool like a Jaguar but plays like a strat.

I don't see why everyone's got their panties in a bunch over this. He isn't hacking up a bunch of vintage pre-cbs jaguars to mod the fuck out of them. He's having custom made guitars in the jaguar body shape to specs that he wants. What's the big deal here?

And the "unless you're so huge that everyone is sending you emails about your gear" point could be turned on any single one of us that has ever posted one of our projects on here.

i'd had a few beers when i posted that, so i was a bit harsher than i'd normally be. . . but, billy, the fact he's including "jaguar" as part of the name is puzzling to say the least. what about this guitar is jaguar? the shape isn't exclusive to that guitar, no trem, wrong pickups, wrong scale. . . even the switching is completely different. the negative posts in this thread are more of a reflection -- i think -- to this guy jumping on the jag trend in name only and then dissing everything about it. build whatever you want, of course; hell, it might be a cool sounding/playing guitar when he's done with it. just don't be a douche and associate yourself with something you think is inferior in pretty much every way simply because you want some affiliation with teh kurdtz or some other bullshit motivation.

Mages wrote:the rhythm circuit is dumb though. it's way too dark and makes no sense for it to be only on the neck pickup when tone control is way more useful on the bridge pickup.

no, you're probably being dumb and doing it wrong. the rhythm circuit on my avri played through the jvm sounds amazing on every stage of gain i throw it on. i love the switching on a jag because the range of tones you can get is probably one of the widest you'll get on a stock instrument. super-dark rhythm, super-full lead with both pickups, sparkly lead w/ bridge, and then choke switch to really get things thin and cutting. diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, of course, but the jag's wiring makes total sense to me even if it isn't perfect or the easiest to get a handle on.

Mages wrote:the rhythm circuit is dumb though. it's way too dark and makes no sense for it to be only on the neck pickup when tone control is way more useful on the bridge pickup.

It's for jazz. They did the same thing on early teles (til '67 I think). 3-way switch on teles was originally

Bridge pickup

Neck pickup

Neck pickup w/dark cap

On earlier broadcaster teles there was a blend knob instead of a tone, to get the dual pickup sound. Tone was full on at all times except on the dark neck setting where it's like being full off.

A setting on a guitar not being useful speaks more about the player than the guitar. Strats STILL don't have tone controls on the bridge pickups and they've done alright.

taylornutt wrote:He basically wants a guitar that looks cool like a Jaguar but plays like a strat.

no, he wants a j. mascis jazz with p-rails.

i think everyone has their panties in a wad because this guy is fucking who? some turd bag in a random nu-metal emocore shite with enough screaming girls and their chad-bro boyfriends (sorry matt) to be able to afford to build these kinds of abominations. wait, rather, he's having someone else build this. if someone on here built this, it'd be cool, but this guy? get fucked, dude.

this is shortscale. this is our thang. if he was having a custom made LP with 24" scale and jaguar pickups and strat switching, we'd be all meh. but because this is what it is, it's irritating.

I love the J. Mascis Jazzmaster. I love the sparkles and gold pickguard. Not sure about the electronics though. I only suggested the Jagmaster since he said he didn't want the trem plate.

Actually the CP Jaguar HH would be a good platform since the rhythm circuit was replaced with the adjustable coil taps

Billy3000 wrote: And the "unless you're so huge that everyone is sending you emails about your gear" point could be turned on any single one of us that has ever posted one of our projects on here.

I thought of that too, but the only ones of us that had custom guitars commissioned for building are icybytes (who is by self definition a hobbyist with enough money to indulge in stuff like that), timhulio (I believe had an electrical guitar custom built, but then again, I think that might just be like carvin where everything is built more/less to order, plus I think it goes without saying that Tim doesn't have anything to prove with his guitar modding abilities), and Brandon Anix which well we all know how that went. I enjoy a project build as much as the next guy but there's a difference when it's showing off your own style and handiwork and not something you made up on kisekae virtual guitar and had built.

I'll admit, I blew a slight pet peeve out of proportion in this thread because I read it as snobby player in shit band makes shit custom jaguar and justifies it by dissing the original instrument.

not trying to be a dick in the butt or anything but i think you guys are blowing this a bit out of proportion. dude wasn`t exactly polite to the almighty jag, but his minus the long scale is similar to something i've wanted to compile. some people like the sound, some the looks or scale and so forth. i mean yeah thrice is pretty shitty but if that jag had the real scale i, for one would love it

borrowedworld wrote:not trying to be a dick in the butt or anything but i think you guys are blowing this a bit out of proportion. dude wasn`t exactly polite to the almighty jag, but his minus the long scale is similar to something i've wanted to compile. some people like the sound, some the looks or scale and so forth. i mean yeah thrice is pretty shitty but if that jag had the real scale i, for one would love it

fair enough, and i even said i don't have a problem with a custom build anyway. it's the simultaneous disrespect for and fanboi association w/ an instrument that's been around probably twice the length of his life.

me? ima build a les paul with a 22.5" scale, 3 single coils (two tri-sonics and lipstick in the bridge at a slight angle), bronco bridge, and a rickenbacker wiring/switching setup. . . you know? because nobody's ever gotten any real use out of the standard setup of this guitar seeing how dumb it is and all.