ATTN: electronic geniuses (mike?)

Pickups, pedals, amps, cabs, combos

Moderated By: mods

User avatar
plopswagon
cutesy tag
Posts: 18906
Joined: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:32 pm
Location: 3rd Fret
Contact:

ATTN: electronic geniuses (mike?)

Post by plopswagon »

I am doing a simple little preamp project and can't find the proper resistors. Can I substitute, in series, three 1M resistors for a 3.0M resistor?

How about two 2.2k and a 4.7k and a 2.2k to make up for a 51k?
► Show Spoiler
ekwatts wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:53 pm The word "moisty" has made me irrationally angry.
User avatar
timhulio
Redheaded Stepchild
Posts: 4693
Joined: Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:06 am
Location: London, UK
Contact:

Post by timhulio »

Poast the schematic. You may be able to substitute rearest values you have. ie, 2.2M for the 3M resistor.

Otherwise, yes three 1M in series= 3M.
Last edited by timhulio on Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
plopswagon
cutesy tag
Posts: 18906
Joined: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:32 pm
Location: 3rd Fret
Contact:

Post by plopswagon »

Image
► Show Spoiler
ekwatts wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:53 pm The word "moisty" has made me irrationally angry.
User avatar
Will
Up on his Whore Lore
Posts: 5328
Joined: Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:40 am
Location: MADTOWN RAT 2011

Post by Will »

The 3M resistor is just setting the input impedance, and it's probably overkill. Subbing a 1M or 1.5M would work just fine and probably not make any audible difference.

EDIT: also, the 10uf capacitor shouldn't be connected to the signal output, just go between the +9v and ground (it doesn't connect in the schem, but it's hard to read). And there should be a large value capacitor on the signal input to decouple the JFET from the guitar - 1uf or even .22 or .47uf would be plenty.
User avatar
Mike
I like EL34s
Posts: 39170
Joined: Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:30 am
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
Contact:

Post by Mike »

It's not setting the impedance, it's part of the bias arrangement for the JFET, I believe 1M should be fine though with a J201.
But yes, 3x1M in series will be AOK.

2x 2.2k + 4.7k + 2.2k = 11.3k so no, that's not a good sub for a 51K. Just use a 47K or a 47K and a 4.7k
User avatar
plopswagon
cutesy tag
Posts: 18906
Joined: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:32 pm
Location: 3rd Fret
Contact:

Post by plopswagon »

miss typed...

that was 22k x 2 + 4.7 + 2.2 = 50.9

but I'll try a single 47k instead.
► Show Spoiler
ekwatts wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:53 pm The word "moisty" has made me irrationally angry.
User avatar
NickS
.
.
Posts: 13769
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:08 am
Location: Down at the end, round by a corner

Post by NickS »

I think the 51K is just there as a pull-down for the negative of the output electrolytic so you don't get a huge thump when you switch it into circuit, sized so that it does not affect the gain too much (assuming mutual conductance results in an effective FET source resistance much lower than 2K2, gain will be 6.8K in parallel with 51K and the input impedance of the next stage, divided by 2K2 - i.e. about 3). TBH you wouldn't notice much difference with just a 47K.

On the input side the gate current is insignificant so the input resistor, whilst referencing the gate to zero for biassing, could be pretty much any value, so can be considered as setting the input impedance. A larger value resistor introduces more Johnson noise, so dropping to 1M is probably good if you're considering it open-circuit and wil reduce the possibility of static damage (less significant than with MOS FETs).
User avatar
Sloan
Sexy Predator
Posts: 11797
Joined: Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:02 am
Contact:

Post by Sloan »

DOWNLOAD THE PROGRAM 'ELECTRONICS ASSISTANT'. IT KICKS ASS BUT CAN NOT HELP RID YOU OF CAPSLOCK.