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Anybody heard of this place?

www.tradetang.com

I've seen the ads and scanned through a couple times. They're the same Chinese counterfeit guitars that used to be sold through a place in Canada.

Somebody on here got a thinline Tele copy for $100 or so and said it wasn't too bad. Not worth the risk of getting scammed, though.

I want to buy one of their rickenbacker copies so bad.

At least you can use paypal so there is some protection.

So if they don't send me the guitar paypal will reimburse me?

that's what mickie always says, but i've been burned several times and they wouldn't help me.

i wouldn't take the risk again in a heartbeat.

But have you been burned by companies?

Lucamo wrote:But have you been burned by companies?

Seriously,you are taking a big risk dealing with companys like this. At my friend's store I have seen some of these chinese copy guitars that customers have brought in for a setup and most are Very poorly made.

you mean questionable companies with no store front on your soil? or ones who sell fake copies of real guitars for dirt cheap?

or real reputable businesses?

in my case it was individuals, but i'm not how it's entirely relevant. they should've been able to overcharge the bastard, and they got me $4 of my $96 payment back because that's all he had in his paypal account.

Ever heard the saying too good to be true . . .

If there was a way where I guarantee I wasn't going to lose all of my money, I'd do it but the fact is, you're going to get screwed if you try to buy things from that site.

I KNOW I AM JUST DREAMING!

Huuuhhh... I just want a cheapass rick.

Man, that sucks Hotrod... $4... what the shit.

I would love a cheap ass rick but if this site were legit you'd see chinese rick copies everywhere

Non ebay person to person paypal is risky.

I have no clue if this business is legit butv its prices are no lower than equivalentt xaviere and rondo stuff.
They can get by selling knockoffs because they are chinese.

The quailty is gonna shit, or hit or miss at best.

If you buy through paypal using a card with buyers protection on it you should be fairly safe in getting a product or eventually a refund if things go south. BUT the guitar may end up totally unplayable.

Lucamo wrote:I want to buy one of their rickenbacker copies so bad.

Why? They're all ugly and the shapes and hardware are way off. There's a few on there that look like real ricks, but I'm pretty sure they're google image pulls and I'm pretty sure if you ordered one you'd end up with another ugly duck.

If you hold out long enough on the forum I might eventually sell my fireglo 330 copy for not much more than those are going for, as per a last in first out rule. As seen in this thread here

http://shortscale.org/forum/viewtopic.p ... 83&start=0

DON'T DO IT


I bought my one tradetang. The neck was fucked completely warped, only thing it was good for was firewood and three nights ago that's what happened to it. €300 wasted. Only thing that worked was the tweed case.

I love me some knock off Gibsons. I have three... but I had to strip them, rewire them, and buy new headstock overlays before they looked and sounded right. I bough them off people selling them online locally. Never paid more than €200.

The necks and bodies are made of nato wood, much like mahogany. The "standard" Les Pauls, that have that fancy grain: that's a sheet of "veneer" but it's not wood it's paper. That headstock logo is paper too. The tuners suck, the wiring and pickups suck.

My advice: buy a 2nd hand "custom" Les Paul knock off. The tuners on those work. Since they are painted you won't have to sand of layers of paper veneer. Buy some nitro and paint off reranch and a headstock overlay off eBay (an actual wood one). Heat strip the poly off. Sand it down (body, neck, and headstock) glue down your headstock overlay, paint neck and body whatever color you want, apply nitro, wet sand and repeat until perfect.

Get a 50's wiring kit, with bumblebee capacitors. Put in decent pickups (I routed the neck for a p90 and used a seymore duncan and in the bridge I used a hex head pickup off a pawnshop charvel).

I painted it Pepto-Bismol pink... for my girlfriend.

DON'T DO IT


I bought my one tradetang. The neck was fucked completely warped, only thing it was good for was firewood and three nights ago that's what happened to it. €300 wasted. Only thing that worked was the tweed case.

I love me some knock off Gibsons. I have three... but I had to strip them, rewire them, and buy new headstock overlays before they looked and sounded right. I bough them off people selling them online locally. Never paid more than €200.

The necks and bodies are made of nato wood, much like mahogany. The "standard" Les Pauls, that have that fancy grain: that's a sheet of "veneer" but it's not wood it's paper. That headstock logo is paper too. The tuners suck, the wiring and pickups suck.

My advice: buy a 2nd hand "custom" Les Paul knock off. The tuners on those work. Since they are painted you won't have to sand of layers of paper veneer. Buy some nitro and paint off reranch and a headstock overlay off eBay (an actual wood one). Heat strip the poly off. Sand it down (body, neck, and headstock) glue down your headstock overlay, paint neck and body whatever color you want, apply nitro, wet sand and repeat until perfect.

Get a 50's wiring kit, with bumblebee capacitors. Put in decent pickups (I routed the neck for a p90 and used a seymore duncan and in the bridge I used a hex head pickup off a pawnshop charvel).

I painted it Pepto-Bismol pink... for my girlfriend.

I liked this thread better the first time I read it on shortscale... when it was about Musoland.



They don't get away with it because they're in China, they just go unnoticed longer.

Speaking of PaylessGuitar.com, it was reported in a recent edition of the Gibson Lifestyle email newsletter, that Li Dan, the Chinese woman who owned and operated not only Payless, but Musoland.com.cn and Musoland.com, was sentenced to a three-year jail sentence after being arrested in Nov. 2008, along with her mother and a business partner named Yu Hui. When raided by Chinese officials, Dan’s facility yielded about 1,200 fake guitars, 861 of which were labeled as Gibsons. Li Dan had responded to Gibson’s legal notices in 2007 by shuttering her operation, but boldly started up again three months later using new Internet hosts. She even had her own Facebook page.

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And Musoland did ship. Most accounts place them as very poor, but occasionally someone will say they're no worse than Chinese Epis with Gibson headstocks would be (so I imagine the quality varies quite a lot).

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Nick wrote: If you hold out long enough on the forum I might eventually sell my fireglo 330 copy for not much more than those are going for, as per a last in first out rule. As seen in this thread here

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paul_ wrote:I liked this thread better the first time I read it on shortscale... when it was about Musoland.

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From the Premier Guitar article(link above):

“There are two types of places you can buy counterfeit Chinese guitars today. Let’s call them the ‘real’ and the ‘fake.’ The fakes are places like TradeTang, SBICU and DHgate. These are the Chinese versions of Craigslist. Anyone can be on these sites and say whatever they want. They often take pictures of real Gibson guitars and post them. With these places, you are dealing with an individual, not a company. You pay them your money then they go out and find you a guitar. I don’t recommend them.�

The “real� places “are stores, so to speak. Sites like ZXCmusic.com, Expressguitar.cn.com and Samin.cn.com are all large, well-run websites, and I have bought from all of them. The product is no better or worse than any entry-level guitar.�

From the Fibson webpage(Link)




"Old news but good news. For those not acquainted with paylessguitar or musoland here is a quick summary; Fakes, fakes n’ more fakes. These were two of the names that were selling, (through several websites) a lot of fake Gibson, Epiphone, Fender, Gretsch, PRS and Ibanez guitars, many of which have been featured here on fibsons.com. Well after years of work by Gibson and the EGACC the websites that were selling these knock offs have been shut down and the person behind them, Li Dan, has been sentanced to 3 years jail time."