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I recently bought Haze's ECT and today I finally got to spend some time getting to know it. I have been wanting a Muff type fuzz for a while and so this seemed like a good place to start. I originally borrowed a NYC Big Muff from a friend and just couldn't get on with it. The controls on the ECT are much more responsive and tweakable than the NYC Big Muff. Tons of Volume. I can't turn it above 9:00. Trim knob reminds me of the bias control on my MBM fuzzface and really helps to control the fuzz intensity. I love the Time Warp switch. It gives a nice modern/vintage tone adjustment. Tone blast will melt your face off. One unique feature on my ECT is that Haze had Aen put a normal switch instead of the momentary switch for feedback. So you can leave the feedback engaged without having to hold it down with your foot. Useful for adding some extra feedback or when you start tweeking the knobs to make the pedal go crazy. I will leave it as is for now.

The only problem I am having with the pedal is when I engage either of my MBM fuzz/distortion/boost that come before it while the ECT is engaged, it actually makes the sound get really quiet instead of louder.. I might try moving the ECT before the MBM pedals and see if that fixes the issue. So far I am enjoying it. Here is an updated pedalboard shot.

try putting a Salt Booster in front of it.... The Salt Booster works really well in front of all my Muff's...... after all its a tweaked EHX LPB and on alot of the boogeek Muffs that have a Pre knob (like the Musket Fuzz) thats all it is, a LPB infront of the Muff Curcuit

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SGJarrod wrote:try putting a Salt Booster in front of it.... The Salt Booster works really well in front of all my Muff's...... after all its a tweaked EHX LPB and on alot of the boogeek Muffs that have a Pre knob (like the Musket Fuzz) thats all it is, a LPB infront of the Muff Curcuit

The pedal right before the ECT is the MBM Saltbreaker/Saltbooster pedal and the gold one before that is the MBM Fuzzface. So the Saltbooster is before the ECT. The PW-10 wah sounds fine when engaged while the ECT is on , but the MBM pedals cause a significant volume/tone drop.

Maybe try powering it separately (if not already)?

I don't believe it's a power issue because each pedal has isolated power from the Pedal Power 2. Each pedal sounds fine individually, just when engaged together with the ECT. I doubt I would use the Fuzzface and ECT as the same time, but I would definite want to use the Saltbooster or Saltbreaker with it. It could simply be an order issue. I know some Fuzz pedals don't like being after other distortion pedals. Before I added the ECT, The Fuzzface was before the Saltbreaker/Saltbooster and I had zero issues.

for what it's worth, I run my saltbooster after my ECT and it works flawlessly.

man thats really odd, I have never had this problem with a Muff(tried about 5 different, but not the ECT) and the SaltBooster....

endsjustifymeans wrote:for what it's worth, I run my saltbooster after my ECT and it works flawlessly.

That's good to know. When I get home tonight, I will move the ECT right after the Wah and have the MBM Fuzzface and Salty pedals right after that. Hopefully that will fix the problems. I plan to use the Fuzzface as a lighter dirty fuzz and the ECT as the full guns blazing distortion.

I have to echo what Haze and RobOG pointed out that the ECT really responds differently depending on the guitar you are using. My AVRI Jag seem to handle the Fuzz better than the Musicmaster, though both sounded really cool and unique. It could be the 1 meg pots in the Jaguar.

SGJarrod wrote:man thats really odd, I have never had this problem with a Muff(tried about 5 different, but not the ECT) and the SaltBooster....

I have never had any noise issues with my chain. I think the ECT is loosely based on a Green Muff.

taylornutt wrote:

endsjustifymeans wrote:for what it's worth, I run my saltbooster after my ECT and it works flawlessly.

That's good to know. When I get home tonight, I will move the ECT right after the Wah and have the MBM Fuzzface and Salty pedals right after that. Hopefully that will fix the problems. I plan to use the Fuzzface as a lighter dirty fuzz and the ECT as the full guns blazing distortion.

I have to echo what Haze and RobOG pointed out that the ECT really responds differently depending on the guitar you are using. My AVRI Jag seem to handle the Fuzz better than the Musicmaster, though both sounded really cool and unique. It could be the 1 meg pots in the Jaguar.

Putting the boost after the ECT is definitely the best way to go. Engaging a boost that's placed before any sort of high gain fuzzy-type effect (especially when used at very gainy settings) is just going to slam the input and completely shit up the sound. In this case, if you use the boost after, you'll be effectively boosting the volume of the sound you're already getting from the ECT.

avj wrote:

taylornutt wrote:

endsjustifymeans wrote:for what it's worth, I run my saltbooster after my ECT and it works flawlessly.

That's good to know. When I get home tonight, I will move the ECT right after the Wah and have the MBM Fuzzface and Salty pedals right after that. Hopefully that will fix the problems. I plan to use the Fuzzface as a lighter dirty fuzz and the ECT as the full guns blazing distortion.

I have to echo what Haze and RobOG pointed out that the ECT really responds differently depending on the guitar you are using. My AVRI Jag seem to handle the Fuzz better than the Musicmaster, though both sounded really cool and unique. It could be the 1 meg pots in the Jaguar.

Putting the boost after the ECT is definitely the best way to go. Engaging a boost that's placed before any sort of high gain fuzzy-type effect (especially when used at very gainy settings) is just going to slam the input and completely shit up the sound. In this case, if you use the boost after, you'll be effectively boosting the volume of the sound you're already getting from the ECT.

I think that sounds exactly like what is happening.

I do not find this true for most Muff based Curcuits thou... the Salt Booster infront of the Muffs in my expereince just ad more vol and punch, makes it sound even rawer.... and if this was the case people would not build the LPB into the Muff as a Pre Gain....

right now I am running...

Axe...SaltBooster....EQD Hoof.... Orange DT

And it makes some amazing sounds...... if I have both on and roll my guitar vol down I get some Unreal gritty OD/Fuzz tonez

I think the Musket is one of the best Muff's out right now and it uses this design

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You could experiment with the placement of the Fuzz Face (FF -> ECT -> SB or ECT -> FF -> SB) for interesting cascading tonez during simultaneous operation -- but if you're not planning on running the ECT at the same time as the FF, I'd say as long as they're both before the boost you're in good shape.

SGJarrod wrote:I do not find this true for most Muff based Curcuits thou... the Salt Booster infront of the Muffs in my expereince just ad more vol and punch, makes it sound even rawer.... and if this was the case people would not build the LPB into the Muff as a Pre Gain....

This may be true -- but depending on the circuit, if you have a boost before a Muff that's running at full volume and gain, kicking the boost on is just going to likely saturate the input and muddy things up. It would be much more effective after, so you're boosting the already-awesome sound of the Muff instead of placing an incredibly hot signal at the Muff's input.

Also, none of this takes the amp's headroom into account either, which is also an incredibly important factor.

welcome to the club !!!!!!!!!

avj wrote:

SGJarrod wrote:I do not find this true for most Muff based Curcuits thou... the Salt Booster infront of the Muffs in my expereince just ad more vol and punch, makes it sound even rawer.... and if this was the case people would not build the LPB into the Muff as a Pre Gain....

This may be true -- but depending on the circuit, if you have a boost before a Muff that's running at full volume and gain, kicking the boost on is just going to likely saturate the input and muddy things up. It would be much more effective after, so you're boosting the already-awesome sound of the Muff instead of placing an incredibly hot signal at the Muff's input.

Also, none of this takes the amp's headroom into account either, which is also an incredibly important factor.

I think it may come down to what tonez ur after.... I never run my Muff's full bore... usually 1/2 to 3/4...that may be a factor too

SGJarrod wrote:

avj wrote:

SGJarrod wrote:I do not find this true for most Muff based Curcuits thou... the Salt Booster infront of the Muffs in my expereince just ad more vol and punch, makes it sound even rawer.... and if this was the case people would not build the LPB into the Muff as a Pre Gain....

This may be true -- but depending on the circuit, if you have a boost before a Muff that's running at full volume and gain, kicking the boost on is just going to likely saturate the input and muddy things up. It would be much more effective after, so you're boosting the already-awesome sound of the Muff instead of placing an incredibly hot signal at the Muff's input.

Also, none of this takes the amp's headroom into account either, which is also an incredibly important factor.

I think it may come down to what tonez ur after.... I never run my Muff's full bore... usually 1/2 to 3/4...that may be a factor too

Absolutely agree. It's all gain staging and headroom, as you surely know.

And nice one, Rob. I remember that picture, but I didn't realize you had it put on a custom Thunder. Badass!

robroe wrote:welcome to the club !!!!!!!!!

Thanks. Is that the Big Box ECT like RobOg has?