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Hey guys, still doing Smashing Pumpkins research, anyone know what brand/model guitar this is that Billy played live '95/'96?

Ibanez Talman.

Ibanez Talman. That shape is from the TV series:



Probably custom finish and stuff though.

Ahhhh beaten to it. There is also the TC series which has a different horn shape:

Ahh of course, I guess the headstock shape threw me off as I never paid attention to it on this model.

Thanks guys!

That's the one he played during the melancholy tour. Used it to play 1979 and apologized for it's ugliness

If that's ugly, I want more ugly.

if that's ugly?

if?

i assure you, that is the complete embodiment of ugly.

Noodles of Teh Offspring has a sig of that model and a cheaper version that is based more on the TC model.

Well, Teles are ugly IMO, but that doesn't keep me from liking them.

It just looks a bit funky, like a lot of retro weird looking guitars and looks rather nice with that white finish.

honeyiscool wrote:Well, Teles are ugly IMO, but that doesn't keep me from liking them.

which just prove you have terrible taste in guitars


:edit: aesthetically speaking, of course.

he's right teles are ugly. I think it has to do with all the hardware and the pickguard being at right angles. it's just not a very graceful looking design. of course that's part of the appeal though. it's a "workhorse" guitar and it looks very utilitarian. they're great playing and sounding guitars (possibly my favorite feel and sound of any guitar) but they're just so fucking ugly. part of the motive behind modding my tele was an attempt to dress it up a bit. I much prefer the look of telecasters with other pickup arrangements.

I don't know . . . I like them; especially Esquires. I do favor the non-traditional colors on teles, however. Fiesta red, Lake Placid Blue, and Vintage white.

honeyiscool wrote:If that's ugly, I want more ugly.

His words not mine... it does look like what a Telecaster would have looked like if they'd been designed by Dean

I hear the talmans play great and have a decent following, but I agree that they are not the prettiest things ever.... between the Talman and a Tele I would go Tele all day for looks, but I like simple classic designs

SGJarrod wrote:I hear the talmans play great and have a decent following, but I agree that they are not the prettiest things ever.... between the Talman and a Tele I would go Tele all day for looks, but I like simple classic designs

Aye I'm a Tele man myself, but I've always quite liked ibanez' more classic designs talman, roadster, jet king. There all slightly odd takes on fender shapes. But seem to find a place in folks hearts.

Ibanez Talmans are good . Especially the Japanese ones . They also made them in Korea but they are not as desired . I've tried a few models and liked them . I like the ones with the lipstick pickups. They also make it in a semi hollow . I really like those....

dezb1 wrote:I've always quite liked ibanez' more classic designs talman, roadster, jet king. There all slightly odd takes on fender shapes. But seem to find a place in folks hearts.

I miss this one from time to time....but its still in the Family.... I gave it to my younger cousin, he gigs it regularly

portugalwillie wrote:I don't know . . . I like them; especially Esquires. I do favor the non-traditional colors on teles, however. Fiesta red, Lake Placid Blue, and Vintage white.

Hey, man, I like Telecasters and Esquires. My drummer called mine ugly, and I was like, sure, but if you played guitar, you would know why this makes a great guitar.

I think Deluxe Teles are especially ugly. Let's combine an unappealing body shape with a stupidly massive pickguard.